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Re: Deploy fighters from carriers (simple handling)
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2013, 12:44:37 AM »

For what it's worth, I think this is a good idea.
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Re: Deploy fighters from carriers (simple handling)
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2013, 09:28:28 PM »

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Re: Deploy fighters from carriers (simple handling)
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2013, 07:49:57 AM »

At the risk of turning this thread into a list of +1's I think the idea is well thought out, would contribute a lot to the game thematically, in terms of awesome, and give you a nice way of keeping your fighters out of the meat grinder when its too dangerous for them to be flying about.
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Re: Deploy fighters from carriers (simple handling)
« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2013, 12:14:58 PM »

Love this idea, but here's my thoughts. Fighters should be 0fp but you need hanger space to use the , except maybe for some ships that seem really good. Yes this could eliminate small lone fighters but instead just hav alone fighters with a lousy carrier.

Btw Question: why is fighters fp if we have hanger space?
Because to me there is no reason to have it.
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Re: Deploy fighters from carriers (simple handling)
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2013, 12:57:06 PM »

Love this idea, but here's my thoughts. Fighters should be 0fp but you need hanger space to use the , except maybe for some ships that seem really good. Yes this could eliminate small lone fighters but instead just hav alone fighters with a lousy carrier.

Btw Question: why is fighters fp if we have hanger space?
Because to me there is no reason to have it.

I can see this working except for one problem. At the start of combat you would be forced to deploy your carrier rather than individual fighter wings and frigates. Most worth-while carriers are at least cruiser class and the vast majority of them are capital ships. This would use up almost your entire starting FP allotment. Rather than making fighters more versatile it forces an almost all or nothing choice on a player. Does he want to deploy his carrier and have fighters available immediately or does he want to be able to utilize frigates or destroyers?

At the moment, fighters, as useful as they are in certain situations, are woefully under-powered in general combat and without heavier backup can very quickly get picked apart. Particularly cheap/early game ones like the talon or piranha class. If you've only got fighters and a carrier on the field but your opponent fields a series of fast/powerful frigates he may be able to intercept you before you capture the points you need to bring on backup and at that point you are well and truly screwed because fighters vs frigates is only going to end one way.

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Re: Deploy fighters from carriers (simple handling)
« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2013, 01:16:28 PM »

Love this idea, but here's my thoughts. Fighters should be 0fp but you need hanger space to use the , except maybe for some ships that seem really good. Yes this could eliminate small lone fighters but instead just hav alone fighters with a lousy carrier.

Btw Question: why is fighters fp if we have hanger space?
Because to me there is no reason to have it.

I can see this working except for one problem. At the start of combat you would be forced to deploy your carrier rather than individual fighter wings and frigates. Most worth-while carriers are at least cruiser class and the vast majority of them are capital ships. This would use up almost your entire starting FP allotment. Rather than making fighters more versatile it forces an almost all or nothing choice on a player. Does he want to deploy his carrier and have fighters available immediately or does he want to be able to utilize frigates or destroyers?

At the moment, fighters, as useful as they are in certain situations, are woefully under-powered in general combat and without heavier backup can very quickly get picked apart. Particularly cheap/early game ones like the talon or piranha class. If you've only got fighters and a carrier on the field but your opponent fields a series of fast/powerful frigates he may be able to intercept you before you capture the points you need to bring on backup and at that point you are well and truly screwed because fighters vs frigates is only going to end one way.

I don't follow this argument.  Carriers, all 5 of them, aren't particularly expensive in FP, especially the ever so popular and versatile Venture (12 FP for a cruiser what?).  And for the really confusing part, there are plenty of non-carrier ships with hanger space... so what the hell?

To top that off, if fighters/bombers were to cost zero flight points with enough hanger space, you can bring in those fancy regular ships and fighters would be included in your fleet in addition for FREE, so what are you talking about needing to bring in more reinforcements?
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Re: Deploy fighters from carriers (simple handling)
« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2013, 02:12:41 PM »

I don't follow this argument.  Carriers, all 5 of them, aren't particularly expensive in FP, especially the ever so popular and versatile Venture (12 FP for a cruiser what?).  And for the really confusing part, there are plenty of non-carrier ships with hanger space... so what the hell?

To top that off, if fighters/bombers were to cost zero flight points with enough hanger space, you can bring in those fancy regular ships and fighters would be included in your fleet in addition for FREE, so what are you talking about needing to bring in more reinforcements?

My point was that while carriers are not particularly expensive in FP for their class they're also not, in general, particularly powerful for their class in my experience. Taking the venture as an example. It has only one flight deck so can only deploy one fighter wing from it at a time. For the same cost you can field three or four frigates or even a Medusa. That free fighter wing is going bye-bye it comes up against that. Heck, even the Venture itself, when it does manage to truck into combat, is not going to be able to deal with the Medusa if its piloted effectively.

As I said, I love the idea of being able to deploy fighters from carriers during an engagement but I just don't think this is the way to do it.

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Re: Deploy fighters from carriers (simple handling)
« Reply #22 on: January 14, 2013, 03:16:56 PM »

Well maybe this will balance fleets out? Because right now it seems that frigates are really only for capturing ATM( or that what I've seen from me and the two youtubers) and they as well as well as fighters need more uses. This could fix these both.
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Re: Deploy fighters from carriers (simple handling)
« Reply #23 on: January 14, 2013, 04:37:24 PM »

Well maybe this will balance fleets out? Because right now it seems that frigates are really only for capturing ATM( or that what I've seen from me and the two youtubers) and they as well as well as fighters need more uses. This could fix these both.

It depends on where you are in the game. Early on and even into the mid-game a fast attack pack of frigates can be devastating. Later on though when you're up against cruisers and capital ships I think its right that frigates get relegated to a scouting/harassing role since if they were a serious threat to ships of that size why would anyone bother with a Capital ship?

Fighters are always useful in a scouting role but as long as you don't mind taking a few casualties they remain useful right through the game for harassing and slowing down the enemy's bigger ships. Holding up an Onslaught by forcing it to raise its shields and take pot shots at a couple of squads of wasps can very easily give you the extra time you need to get a pair of strike cruisers into position to intercept it.

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Re: Deploy fighters from carriers (simple handling)
« Reply #24 on: January 14, 2013, 05:26:17 PM »

Well maybe this will balance fleets out? Because right now it seems that frigates are really only for capturing ATM( or that what I've seen from me and the two youtubers) and they as well as well as fighters need more uses. This could fix these both.

It depends on where you are in the game. Early on and even into the mid-game a fast attack pack of frigates can be devastating. Later on though when you're up against cruisers and capital ships I think its right that frigates get relegated to a scouting/harassing role since if they were a serious threat to ships of that size why would anyone bother with a Capital ship?

Fighters are always useful in a scouting role but as long as you don't mind taking a few casualties they remain useful right through the game for harassing and slowing down the enemy's bigger ships. Holding up an Onslaught by forcing it to raise its shields and take pot shots at a couple of squads of wasps can very easily give you the extra time you need to get a pair of strike cruisers into position to intercept it.

Fighters also stop other bombers.
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Re: Deploy fighters from carriers (simple handling)
« Reply #25 on: January 14, 2013, 06:36:01 PM »

Not very effectively. As far as anti-bomber measures go, point defense and maneuvering work better for me. I use interceptors as point cappers more than I use them as.... interceptors.
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Re: Deploy fighters from carriers (simple handling)
« Reply #26 on: January 14, 2013, 07:29:29 PM »

Deploying fighters from carriers IS indeed a good idea, but even though I want that REALLY bad, I see no real use for it.  Yea, you can hide fighters inside the safety of the carrier...until another ship comes along and takes out two birds with one stone. -_-
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Re: Deploy fighters from carriers (simple handling)
« Reply #27 on: January 14, 2013, 07:56:13 PM »

Makes it easier to deploy fighters closer to the fight? Also gives them a place to hide from aa ships.
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Re: Deploy fighters from carriers (simple handling)
« Reply #28 on: January 14, 2013, 08:04:54 PM »

I don't think it should be optional, personally, if it's gonna be in.
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Re: Deploy fighters from carriers (simple handling)
« Reply #29 on: January 14, 2013, 08:13:26 PM »

I support it 100%. :P
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