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[Catra]

they can't function along with the rest of the fighter blob.

sigh


im not even going to honor an answer if youre not going to read the thread in it's entirety.

sigh


Please don't respond if you can't even read the sentence/post in it's entirety.

Oh and again, play the actual game before you stick to your wrong theorycraft.  Here is the hint... Warthogs on escort duties fly far from the ship they are escorting that they don't benefit from the ship's shielding and are just as prone to every single attack out there as other fighters, except they are just slower.

and this is why we can't have civilized discussions on this board u_u

[Gaizokubanou]

and this is why we can't have civilized discussions on this board u_u

Yeah... blame others because you totally didn't start the whole "Durrr u cant read the thread" insult.

I see you replying to me with complete reading comprehension failure quite often.  Do you have some personal vendetta against me to troll me or something?

[Catra]

and this is why we can't have civilized discussions on this board u_u

Yeah... blame others because you totally didn't start the whole "Durrr u cant read the thread" insult.

I see you replying to me with complete reading comprehension failure quite often.  Do you have some personal vendetta against me to troll me or something?

sortof.

you're being super aggressive for no reason whatsoever.

edit: if you're going to throw around accusations, atleast make it so you don't do the thing you're accusing the person of doing:

- i didn't say you can't read, i said you didn't read.

[Tarran]

The reason he's being 'super aggressive' might be because you refuse to respond to his points, and he thinks you are insulting him.

Regardless, both of you stop it. The current discussion is moving towards an unhealthy point.

[Catra]

The reason he's being 'super aggressive' might be because you refuse to respond to his points, and he thinks you are insulting him.

Regardless, both of you stop it. The current discussion is moving towards an unhealthy point.

or that he was from the get go and that i already did address his points.

[Tarran]

or that he was from the get go

If you want civilized discussions on this board, I'd suggest not adding fuel to the fire.

and that i already did address his points.

Address does not equal response. If you did address his points, link to your responses rather than ignoring his points.

[GUNINANRUNIN]

Just stop.
All the next guy who wants to post something mean has to do is just.. stop….
Cool? 

[Thaago]

Lets just close this thread.

[GUNINANRUNIN]

Lets just close this thread.

Word.

[Voyager I]

My mistake, I was mixing up the wing counts with the Gladius.  Still, even at three to a squad, they just aren't worth that outrageous fleet cost.  It's really hard to justify spending 10 FP on a fighter wing when the unit itself has significant limitations and another 2 points gets you a midline destroyer.

People haven't been getting aggressive with you.  We're not even trying to gang up on you.  You just happen to find many people independently coming to a conclusion contrary to your own, because most people are going to look at a unit with that kind of associated cost and expect it to do much more than the Warthog is capable of.  It's not to say the Warthog is useless or even bad as a design; it's just an inefficient use of a very precious resource.


What do people think of the Torpedo Bombers?  For 5 points they can put a pretty big dent into things...but then again, for 5 points I could just load up a Lasher with Atropos Racks and missile upgrades.

[Catra]

My mistake, I was mixing up the wing counts with the Gladius.  Still, even at three to a squad, they just aren't worth that outrageous fleet cost.  It's really hard to justify spending 10 FP on a fighter wing when the unit itself has significant limitations and another 2 points gets you a midline destroyer.

People haven't been getting aggressive with you.  We're not even trying to gang up on you.  You just happen to find many people independently coming to a conclusion contrary to your own, because most people are going to look at a unit with that kind of associated cost and expect it to do much more than the Warthog is capable of.  It's not to say the Warthog is useless or even bad as a design; it's just an inefficient use of a very precious resource.


What do people think of the Torpedo Bombers?  For 5 points they can put a pretty big dent into things...but then again, for 5 points I could just load up a Lasher with Atropos Racks and missile upgrades.

and that is where the fallacy begins:

by looking just at OP cost, all the fighters look meh in comparison.

however, at some point you will reach a stage where it would be more beneficial to replace ships with fighters due to the fact that those ships are barely contributing to the fights either because they can't get there or the field is so saturated that they are taking more time maneuvering than they are shooting.

EDIT: basically what i said here, which is getting ignored for w/e reason: http://fractalsoftworks.com/forum/index.php?topic=3919.msg61338#msg61338



your example:

in a fairly big brawl, how do you get the lasher through everything to deliver the payload? bombers have no such issue since they can fly over everything, however the lasher is going to need to spend alot of time not dying to threats that the bombers could have avoided by just flying over friendly forces.

Address does not equal response. If you did address his points, link to your responses rather than ignoring his points.

and i would have (like i did so with a different poster earlier in this thread) if the post i was linking to -wasn't- further down than the post he quoted. simply reading on would have had his points addressed, hence why i said what i said.

[Gaizokubanou]

and i would have (like i did so with a different poster earlier in this thread) if the post i was linking to -wasn't- further down than the post he quoted. simply reading on would have had his points addressed, hence why i said what i said.

I did read on, that's why I didn't nag on you for that minor FP error on Lashers, why I was talking about the role usage outside of fighter blob and why I mentioned how warthogs won't be protected by ships because of what you said on a post I didn't quote you on.

since the warthogs will be attached to a ship, the likelyhood of being EMPd is pretty much zero, so thats moot.

That's part of a post you are claiming that I didn't read... and here is a quote from my first post addressing your argument there.

Also Catra, don't just theory craft, actually try having Warthogs attached to ships.  Their escort pathing is so wide they won't be covered by the ship's shield unless the ship they are escorting is between the warthog and enemy ship, which means warthogs aren't even firing.

Yes, I did read up to there.  It wasn't me not reading, it was me disagreeing.

[Jonlissla]

My mistake, I was mixing up the wing counts with the Gladius.  Still, even at three to a squad, they just aren't worth that outrageous fleet cost.  It's really hard to justify spending 10 FP on a fighter wing when the unit itself has significant limitations and another 2 points gets you a midline destroyer.

Indeed, the main faults I've seen so far with them is the FP cost and speed. If you would lower the cost to 8 FP and give it a speed of 110-120 instead of 80 I think they would be worth a slot. Of course, then we have that insane repair cost as well.

What do people think of the Torpedo Bombers?  For 5 points they can put a pretty big dent into things...but then again, for 5 points I could just load up a Lasher with Atropos Racks and missile upgrades.

To be perfectly honest, I've never used them. In fact, I don't use bombers at all, not even Piranha wings. It's not that I think they're bad since I've been on the recieveing end of their bomb bays many times, but by the time they become useful to me I have already gotten a Destroyer or Cruiser to do their job. Should problably learn to use them more often though.

however, at some point you will reach a stage where it would be more beneficial to replace ships with fighters due to the fact that those ships are barely contributing to the fights either because they can't get there or the field is so saturated that they are taking more time maneuvering than they are shooting.

True, fightercraft don't have to worry about collisions which is one of the reasons they're so effective. However, due to their short range they will always have to get into melee, which is right in range of PD systems. This isn't really that big of problem though since the majority have such a high speed that when they get into too much trouble they can always fly away to the nearest carrier and repair and rearm. A nice luxury which I believe the Warthogs can't use to their fullest potential.

EDIT: basically what i said here, which is getting ignored for w/e reason: http://fractalsoftworks.com/forum/index.php?topic=3919.msg61338#msg61338

But it wasn't ignored? The same advantages that you gave the Warthog can be given to any other fighter in the game, which made me reply with the comparison with the Broadsword. Sorry if I was being unclear.

[Tarran]

What do people think of the Torpedo Bombers?  For 5 points they can put a pretty big dent into things...but then again, for 5 points I could just load up a Lasher with Atropos Racks and missile upgrades.

I'd say they're worth it if you can protect them and reload them. A Lasher runs out of ammo after one volley, Daggers can reload. 12000 points of HE damage per reload is some serious firepower. The dagger clearly wins for strike purposes: The Lasher can only match a Dagger's strike power once with it's first volley, then it has minimal strike power afterwards... While the daggers are still running around with 12000 points of hurt just waiting for a ship to get in front of them.

[Mattk50]

wanna comment on a discussion a few pages back on thunders and how big of a hit it is.

It really sucks for them because the way fighter repairs work is nonsense. doesnt make sense for you to lose 5/6 wasps and be able to build 5 brand new ones from just general supplies you have in your hold when you can lose the 6th and suddenly your engineer lost the blueprint. I hope eventually the fighter crew bugs are fixed along with a system where you can always launch more fighters as long as you have spare fighters in your hold or something. and have normal repairs cost supplies, silly that they dont really.