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[Catra]

IMO: these advantages justify it's 10 FP cost. 6 FP is just silly OP since it's a literal stack of death that can overload shields in no time so the escorted cruiser / destroyer can just pummel it, thus changing it's role from supplementary firepower to primary firepower.

Warthogs are almost half as fast as Broadswords, and the only difference is a total of 75 armour and having LAGs instead of Swarmer missiles. They cost almost twice as much in FP and have a homungous supply cost to repair and rearm. As if stands now, I don't see any reason to get Warthogs at all when you can get two Broadswords to do its job, despite being armed with LAGs.

why spend 12 FP to do a suboptimal job?

[Jonlissla]

why spend 12 FP to do a suboptimal job?

But they're not doing a suboptimal job? Broadswords might lack LAGs but instead they get Swarmers which can put a equal dent into larger ships and allows them to combat other fighters. They're much faster, cheaper, and they only have a total of 75 less armour. I don't think Warthogs are worth 10 FP at the current moment, atleast not with 80 in speed.

[Vind]

Warthogs have 6 light mgs and 3 light assault guns in 1 wing - way more than lashers 3 lmgs and 2 lags plus they can rearm and repair. And broadsword swarmers really count then enemy ship already can be killed by anything once stripped of armor.

[Hopelessnoob]

The warthogs are just so slow compared to broadswords and they can deal with Talons and wasps, warthogs cannot. Broadswords can deal with point defenses a whole lot better than the Warthogs because of their speed.

[Jonlissla]

Warthogs have 6 light mgs and 3 light assault guns in 1 wing - way more than lashers 3 lmgs and 2 lags plus they can rearm and repair.

I think you disregarded that Lashers can also carry 2 small missile launchers, have Acc. Ammo Feeder, 20 more in speed and costs half as much as Warthogs do.  It's true that Lashers cannot repair in combat, but I've noticed that while they are a bigger target they do have more surviveability thanks to their shield and extra speed.

[Catra]

The warthogs are just so slow compared to broadswords and they can deal with Talons and wasps, warthogs cannot. Broadswords can deal with point defenses a whole lot better than the Warthogs because of their speed.

and they're not meant to? the warthog isn't designed to go against other fighters, but rather to act as supplementary firepower TO A SHIP. i i think this is where all the hate stems from:

players are asking "where does the warthog fit into my fighter blob?" and then proceed to compare it to fighters that blob up and roll over everything, this is the WRONG way to use them, as they are supposed to be assigned to a destroyer / cruiser / capital and roll around with them, NOT with a fighter blob.

[neonesis]

The warthogs are just so slow compared to broadswords and they can deal with Talons and wasps, warthogs cannot. Broadswords can deal with point defenses a whole lot better than the Warthogs because of their speed.

and they're not meant to? the warthog isn't designed to go against other fighters, but rather to act as supplementary firepower TO A SHIP. i i think this is where all the hate stems from:

players are asking "where does the warthog fit into my fighter blob?" and then proceed to compare it to fighters that blob up and roll over everything, this is the WRONG way to use them, as they are supposed to be assigned to a destroyer / cruiser / capital and roll around with them, NOT with a fighter blob.

But then comes the question - aren't two Lashers a better force against bigger ships? They have also more cargo space, and they actually give you hangar space, instead of taking it. Ammo feeder single-handedly makes them 2 times more deadly than a Warthog wing. Not mentioning they have shields, so no EMP trolling.

[Catra]

The warthogs are just so slow compared to broadswords and they can deal with Talons and wasps, warthogs cannot. Broadswords can deal with point defenses a whole lot better than the Warthogs because of their speed.

and they're not meant to? the warthog isn't designed to go against other fighters, but rather to act as supplementary firepower TO A SHIP. i i think this is where all the hate stems from:

players are asking "where does the warthog fit into my fighter blob?" and then proceed to compare it to fighters that blob up and roll over everything, this is the WRONG way to use them, as they are supposed to be assigned to a destroyer / cruiser / capital and roll around with them, NOT with a fighter blob.

But then comes the question - aren't two Lashers a better force against bigger ships? They have also more cargo space, and they actually give you hangar space, instead of taking it. Ammo feeder single-handedly makes them 2 times more deadly than a Warthog wing. Not mentioning they have shields, so no EMP trolling.

http://fractalsoftworks.com/forum/index.php?topic=3919.msg61338#msg61338

unless i've overlooked it, they've never given hangar space. hounds have, but not lashers.


since the warthogs will be attached to a ship, the likelyhood of being EMPd is pretty much zero, so thats moot.

[GUNINANRUNIN]

I always have fun with Broadswords in numbers. I have them drop the swarmers on a cruiser then Rearm for a quick overload/panic vent.
It makes for a decent, if expensive one-two.

I actually liked the Warthogs for a little while. I was experimenting and I tried 4+ wings escorting two Ventures, which seems to be an appropriate role being that they're both slow as hell and never outrun one another. Not to mention the huge increase to overall firepower and PD.
As long as the 'cruiser blob' has interceptor wings to screen for bombers and Broadswords they're virtually unstoppable against middleweight fleets.
More than three cruisers ends up being a problem though since you've spent all your damned money buying and supporting Warthogs instead of strike craft you silly!  
At which point the whole plan falls flat on its ass.

There are definitely better boats out there fellas.

[Darloth]

If warthogs were very money-cheap (and supplies-cheap to repair etc), that at least would help them in the campaign.

I agree that their FP cost still seems a little high.

[Gaizokubanou]

Yeah what's with Warthog's OP pricing?  10 OP yet they die too easily (slow speed) and lack the firepower.  I think they deserve to be 6 or at most 7 OP cost unless Alex add some major extra firepower on them.

uh

for 10 FP you get 3 Light Assault Guns and 6 machine guns (3 dual LMG)

for a lasher (12 FP)

you can get 2 LAG and same amount of LMG.

also, IMO atleast, they're more for complimenting a destroyer or cruisers firepower, rather than tagging along with the rest of the fighter blob, so they really don't need any fixing as they're fine as is.

Why compliment a destroyer with much more fragile platform (no shielding less hp/armor and gl trying to get it to rearm and repair with that slow speed) that requires 2 command points to work (light escort then override command) when you can just get another destroyer in for the same cost?

The only benefit, which is Warthog's fighter/bomber pathing, is completely negated because they can't function along with the rest of the fighter blob.

Also Catra, don't just theory craft, actually try having Warthogs attached to ships.  Their escort pathing is so wide they won't be covered by the ship's shield unless the ship they are escorting is between the warthog and enemy ship, which means warthogs aren't even firing.

[Catra]

they can't function along with the rest of the fighter blob.

sigh


im not even going to honor an answer if youre not going to read the thread in it's entirety.

[Voyager I]

sigh


im not even going to honor an answer if youre not going to read the thread in it's entirety.

Melodrama is pointless.

A single Warthog costs as many fleet point as a Lasher.  They're not even close to worth it.

[Catra]

sigh


im not even going to honor an answer if youre not going to read the thread in it's entirety.

Melodrama is pointless.

A single Warthog costs as many fleet point as a Lasher.  They're not even close to worth it.

not necessarily, it points out that "oh hey, we've been over this, plz read the thread kkthx".

and why isn't it? i've pointed out why it is, so why don't you point out why it isn't?

edit: also, 1 warthog = 3.3 FP 1 lasher = 5. so, yeah, hyperbole is pointless and detrimental to discussion.

[Gaizokubanou]

they can't function along with the rest of the fighter blob.

sigh


im not even going to honor an answer if youre not going to read the thread in it's entirety.

sigh


Please don't respond if you can't even read the sentence/post in it's entirety.

Oh and again, play the actual game before you stick to your wrong theorycraft.  Here is the hint... Warthogs on escort duties fly far from the ship they are escorting that they don't benefit from the ship's shielding and are just as prone to every single attack out there as other fighters, except they are just slower.