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[robokill]

i aggree on the falcon and vigilance the tarsus dosn't have flight deck? the buffulo mk 2 needs more missles and the next patch will fix the rest

[Reshy]

I realize the buffalo's meant to be underpowered, but it's too weak far far too weak.  I'm not asking for it to be able to beat a destroyer or a cruiser.  I just want it to be at least able to deal with frigates and fighters to some degree instead of being completely shutdown by them.  It costs 9 fleet points for such a unit, and it can't even beat half that in combat viability.



The falcon getting cruiser-level hull mods is kind of the problem, they have a large markup for the ship.  The ship also lacks proper frontal PD because it removes all 3 PD of the eagle's.



The Hammerhead however has abysmal flux capacity, it's easy to just keep it perpetually overloaded.  Sure I guess if you're comparing it to a combat converted freighter then it's fine as is.  But if you're comparing it to any of the other real destroyers it's clearly lacking.

[Mattk50]

Im fine with the buffalo staying weak if its price was changed to reflect it. As it is now, there is no reason for the player not to just sell any captured buffalo as their game value is much higher than their actual value. makes you wonder why the factions that use them dont just do the same.

Remember the buffalo has zero spare spots for crew, extremely low cargo and fuel too. This thing is completely worthless in every way, it should be valued very low.

[Tarkets]

The buffalo is just too much of a piece of drek. If it's description was "Absolute deathtrap easily defeated by anything at all ever. An antimatter blaster was mounted as a hilarious 'Neek Hallach' to the weeping mob of incompetents and/or death row inmates that crew it." I mean yeah okay that would get the idea across, but the actual writeup is several paragraphs on its history and combat use so there is definitely a disconnect there.

[Thaago]

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The Hammerhead however has abysmal flux capacity, it's easy to just keep it perpetually overloaded.  Sure I guess if you're comparing it to a combat converted freighter then it's fine as is.  But if you're comparing it to any of the other real destroyers it's clearly lacking.

It must just not match your playstyle - I disagree with you completely. Equip it properly and it will take out Enforcers all day long. Medusae as well with a fighter escort - which it can have because its a midline, support style destroyer with hangar space. It maintains effectiveness all the way through capital ships - I feel that the Medusa and Enforcer do not.

[robokill]

i can kill a hammerhead with the standard lasher easy i agree it needs more staying power

[Faiter119]

i can kill a hammerhead with the standard lasher easy i agree it needs more staying power

That is such a stupid example. I can kill a Onslaught in a Enforcer, does that make the Onslaught bad?

[Jonlissla]

Buffalo's supposed to be the joke, giving it a boost would only detract from that "prestigious" title

No, it's not supposed to be a joke.

Personally I don't think it should be in the game. It has no role, no purpose, no value at all. It's overpriced, vulnerable, slow, pathetic stats, has awkward weapon slots and even the upcoming ship systems will most likely not help it much.

It needs a buff. The ship is so bad, it physically hurts me to see it.

The Hammerhead is like the Vigilance and other midline ships - meant to be deployed with support and be versatile both in and out of combat. None of the other destroyers have the out of combat versatility - in cargo, hangar, crew. I love it in combat already and am looking forward to the system.

I do agree with this. The Hammerhead has a mix between a little bit of this and a little bit of that. A Jack-of-all-trades so to speak.

[Faiter119]

Is it so damn difficult to understand that IT IS SUPPOSED TO SUCK! It is a pile of rubble some crafty pirates threw together! It's not supposed to be any good! If everything was so balanced that they all had equal power, the game would be incredibly bland.

[Jonlissla]

Is it so damn difficult to understand that IT IS SUPPOSED TO SUCK! It is a pile of rubble some crafty pirates threw together! It's not supposed to be any good!

The Buffalo is underpowered not just because it has bad stats, but because it is also overly expensive and is in no way worth its cost. You're better off selling it at the nearest station since it's basically dead weight. Why have a ship in the game nobody in their right mind is going to use?

If everything was so balanced that they all had equal power, the game would be incredibly bland.

Talons for example are the weakest fighters in the game, but they are dirt cheap, use little supplies and are all over the place. Their stats become reflected upon their price and availability. Thus they are balanced. The Buffalo on the other hand...

[Faiter119]

Why in their right mind buys a Buffalo MKII?

[hadesian]

The buffalo hurts single frigate fleets if supported.

[OrangeLima]

i can kill a hammerhead with the standard lasher easy i agree it needs more staying power

That is such a stupid example. I can kill a Onslaught in a Enforcer, does that make the Onslaught bad?

I agree, I can kill a Onslaught with a lasher, yet the onslaught has the capacity to be the strongest stand alone ship in the game. The hammerhead is my go too ship when I start off, it is not overly expensive, yet mounts enough firepower on it to kill other destroyers and cruisers, especially with support. I would argue in practice the hammerhead makes one of the best ships for its class.

[DJ Die]

The buffalo hurts single frigate fleets if supported.

if supported by onslaught and couple of bomber wings

[Thaago]

The Buffalo could be fixed if it had another medium missile mount. Pilums scale well - a double launcher would be able to pressure any frigate, at least a little bit. In convoys they might actually be able to survive...