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Dreyven

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Re: Starfarer 0.5a Preview (Released) - Live Patch Notes
« Reply #570 on: February 28, 2012, 11:54:27 AM »

To sum up my thoughts.
There are 2 Types of Armor

Protective Armor:
Armor that is designed to shield completly/as much as possible against Hits.
Tankarmor, shiparmor, platearmor... etc.
Designed to completly negate Hit's of a certain strenghts
Weak and rapid fire weapons are highly inefficient
Get's weakend by Explosions and can be pierced by small high velocity projectiles
High impact force is likely to destroy the Armoring, only reducing the Hit and damaging the wearer/vehicle
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No protective armoring that could be used by a Person could protect against Cannon shots, a hellebard/axe swing, a big ass hammer.

Absorbing Armor
Armor that is designed to absorb part of the hit or distribute force to an bigger Area
Chainmail, kevlar, depending on the game and scifi you are reading shields
Designed to distribute the force a hit produces evenly to the surrounding area while stoping "secondary effects" (penetration, bleeding)
Weak and rapid fire is more effective because the force still get's applied to the protected body, only more evenly spread, this can cause several issues
Doesn't shield against explosions but can't be pierced in most cases (only by projectiles that are too small to get "caught")
High Impact forces will be spread evenly but will most likely still cause severe damage
Can't be destroyed... or is very hard to destroy

We could just leave away specifics and agree on the point that certain Armors only can stop certain Hits.

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Re: Starfarer 0.5a Preview (Released) - Live Patch Notes
« Reply #571 on: February 28, 2012, 05:55:34 PM »

the better one would be Kevlar easily stopping high velocity small caliber rounds, but a knife slips easily through the weave.

Kevlar can stop knives too, it's just more effective against ballistics.

That's very misleading, there is no pure kevlar vest which can stop a knife stab. Kevlar with with metal backing/inserts/chainmail weave, yes.

(Also, an arrow is going to go right through a kevlar vest, and if it's Teflon tipped fired from a 100 pound compound bow, it's going to go through multiple vests)
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Re: Starfarer 0.5a Preview (Released) - Live Patch Notes
« Reply #572 on: February 28, 2012, 10:57:17 PM »

That's very misleading, there is no pure kevlar vest which can stop a knife stab. Kevlar with with metal backing/inserts/chainmail weave, yes.

(Also, an arrow is going to go right through a kevlar vest, and if it's Teflon tipped fired from a 100 pound compound bow, it's going to go through multiple vests)

Teflon just protects the barrel of a gun from the harden metal bullet no? Putting it on the tip of an arrow seems a bit pointless. In any case,  think we need to make the distinction between the vests worn by civilians and the ones that militaries use. Rifle rounds are substantially more powerful than pistol rounds, due to their weight and shape. Against civilian vests it's pretty much going to go through. Military vests that incorporate protection from sharp pointy things aimed at them tends to have a lot more protection against this sort of projectile.

As for knives, it depends on how skilled and trained the stabber is. At some point, any knife will go through armor given enough pressure and speed. Knife resistant vests function quite handily in fact. There are youtube videos of it resisting the knife edge quite well.
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Re: Starfarer 0.5a Preview (Released) - Live Patch Notes
« Reply #573 on: February 29, 2012, 02:07:49 AM »

That's very misleading, there is no pure kevlar vest which can stop a knife stab. Kevlar with with metal backing/inserts/chainmail weave, yes.

(Also, an arrow is going to go right through a kevlar vest, and if it's Teflon tipped fired from a 100 pound compound bow, it's going to go through multiple vests)

Teflon just protects the barrel of a gun from the harden metal bullet no? Putting it on the tip of an arrow seems a bit pointless. In any case,  think we need to make the distinction between the vests worn by civilians and the ones that militaries use. Rifle rounds are substantially more powerful than pistol rounds, due to their weight and shape. Against civilian vests it's pretty much going to go through. Military vests that incorporate protection from sharp pointy things aimed at them tends to have a lot more protection against this sort of projectile.

As for knives, it depends on how skilled and trained the stabber is. At some point, any knife will go through armor given enough pressure and speed. Knife resistant vests function quite handily in fact. There are youtube videos of it resisting the knife edge quite well.

Teflon is extremely low friction and facilitates armour penetration
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Re: Starfarer 0.5a Preview (Released) - Live Patch Notes
« Reply #574 on: February 29, 2012, 02:37:28 AM »

Teflon is extremely low friction and facilitates armour penetration

When you compare it with weight of the projectile, it's going to matter far more than whether or not the tip is a little bit more slippery than other surfaces. The tip has to force open the weave of of the kevlar at the very least. This, while it doesn't create much friction does provide resistance to the arrow. Compared to an ordinary metal finish the material is going to provide a marginal effect, it is the sheer weight of the projectile that provides much of the results.

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Re: Starfarer 0.5a Preview (Released) - Live Patch Notes
« Reply #575 on: February 29, 2012, 07:53:14 AM »

Teflon is extremely low friction and facilitates armour penetration

When you compare it with weight of the projectile, it's going to matter far more than whether or not the tip is a little bit more slippery than other surfaces. The tip has to force open the weave of of the kevlar at the very least. This, while it doesn't create much friction does provide resistance to the arrow. Compared to an ordinary metal finish the material is going to provide a marginal effect, it is the sheer weight of the projectile that provides much of the results.


I think you forgot a "not" or two because it sounds like you are agreeing with him. (and I don't think you were)
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Re: Starfarer 0.5a Preview (Released) - Live Patch Notes
« Reply #576 on: February 29, 2012, 03:07:29 PM »

Posting late at night is not a good idea :-[.
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Re: Starfarer 0.5a Preview (Released) - Live Patch Notes
« Reply #577 on: March 07, 2012, 10:41:53 PM »

This release is awesome, thumbs up to Fractal Softworks! ;D
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