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[Twilight Sentinel]

I've played several games now, and in all of them I just lose interest in the game and combat when the deployment limit and fleet cap stops me from using mostly frigates in my main fleet, and only 2-3 capitals and cruisers.  Managing all these frigates just feels more fun and I prefer using fast ships.  I'm going to try modding and changing the fleet size and deployment size so I don't feel as punished for not running a capital and cruiser only fleet.

Does anyone else prefer using fleets that favor lots of smaller ships?

[Igncom1]

When it's viable to do so, yeah a strong 'wolfpack' of space superiority frigates are really nice to beat the enemy's flanks and challenge even their strongest destroyers for the periphery of the battle.

Omens and Tempests, while not gifted in operational time, are gifted in their ability to play to frigate strengths of speed without really needing to deal with the heavy armour or shields that cruisers and capital ships possess.

I'm not usually one for phase ships, as they'll be in AI hands for my fleet, but they can pose a significant threat for a limited amount of time unless pinned down. Due to their suffocating operational time they are frankly best deployed with missiles/torpedoes and antimatter blasters due to their short time to operate. A shade with it's omen style emp emitter can be absolutely lethal even when empty.

They key I find is picking frigates that can keep themselves alive even in dire circumstances, like when they draw the ire of half the enemy fleet and then never, ever, receive help from allies who then go off to 'fight' a carrier by never actually fighting it. So ships that can take a hit on their shields, teleport away, or are stupidly fast are the best in my experience. Worst case then is that a 10dp frigate keeps a 35dp cruiser from ever taking part of the main line battle, which is a good trade.

Ultimately it comes down to the fact that two ships in starsector will usually beat one as one distracts while the other flanks. So against unprepared enemies, even humble lashers and kites will deal lethal damage to the enemy.

A well balanced fleet composition can be very fun, even if not the most effective vs 30 paragon dooms stacks.

4 capital ships

4 carriers

16 gunboats/frigates

6 support ships

But even that might be a little top heavy with 4 capital ships and only 6 support ships.

[Eji1700]

Yeah i almost always have one or two frigate packs with my fleet (4-8 ships).

As mentioned  Omens/Tempests are godly, but I'll usually use wolfs/lashers which can put out a surprising amount of punishment when designed with squad tactics in mind.  Have one or two loaded up with harpoons, and another set on more disabling tactics like salamanders and ions, and they can put in work.   I usually just put 3 protecting one and then let them figure it out.

[Alex]

(... I just want to put out there that one of the new Leadership skills is named "Wolfpack Tactics"... <disappears back into the code mines>)

[NikoTheGuyDude]

(... I just want to put out there that one of the new Leadership skills is named "Wolfpack Tactics"... <disappears back into the code mines>)

back to work, code monkey :whip:

[Grievous69]

(... I just want to put out there that one of the new Leadership skills is named "Wolfpack Tactics"... <disappears back into the code mines>)

back to work, code monkey :whip:

Some might not believe this but even I wouldn't say something like that, too much edge man. Please edit the second part of the joke so people don't get the wrong idea.

Edit: Honestly it would've been fine without the whip part.

[Twilight Sentinel]

(... I just want to put out there that one of the new Leadership skills is named "Wolfpack Tactics"... <disappears back into the code mines>)

Will that stop AI fleets from deploying more ships because their fleet averages a larger size?  It's hard to swarm with frigates when your enemy is able to deploy so many more ships than you.

[Retry]

I do not.  In fact, I have something of the opposite issue: Frigates are my least favorite ships to field, and if I can't get to Cruisers+Caps to captain quick enough, I'll lose interest.

Not that I never use frigates; I'll keep a few Tempests around to clean up after a big battle is wrapping up, and Omens make for cheap escorts and autoresolve fodder if there's space to spare, but for actual fights they're frustration incarnate: they run out of CR extremely fast, their high speed often leads to individuals getting surrounded and destroyed, they're fragile and extremely annoying to babysit and keep alive (a frigate making one mistake usually means a dead frigate; a cruiser making one usually means local armor loss + some hull damage).

Given all that is exacerbated by the Command Point mechanic I loathe, frigate management is just, ugh.  No thanks, I don't want to replace a half-dozen warships every time I'm in a non-trivial fight.

[shoi]

I've played several games now, and in all of them I just lose interest in the game and combat when the deployment limit and fleet cap stops me from using mostly frigates in my main fleet, and only 2-3 capitals and cruisers.  Managing all these frigates just feels more fun and I prefer using fast ships.  I'm going to try modding and changing the fleet size and deployment size so I don't feel as punished for not running a capital and cruiser only fleet.

Does anyone else prefer using fleets that favor lots of smaller ships?

Yep. for a game centered around fleet combat, deploying like 3 capitals in end game or just having a slow and tedious protracted fight where enemy sends cap after cap after cap  while flying a brick with engines is the epitome of boredom to me. I'm super glad the capital spam is being pared back in the coming update

[IraqiWalker]

One thing confuses me endlessly: I set the battle size to 500. Why can I not deploy 500 points worth of gear? Why is it 360 tops?

[Wyvern]

One thing confuses me endlessly: I set the battle size to 500. Why can I not deploy 500 points worth of gear? Why is it 360 tops?

Battle size is total - you and your allies and your opponents. If you're deploying 360, and battle size is 500, that means your opponents can only field 140 points worth of ships.

[sector_terror]

(... I just want to put out there that one of the new Leadership skills is named "Wolfpack Tactics"... <disappears back into the code mines>)

your absolute madman. your brilliant madman.

[Amoebka]

CODE mines? Not even PLAYTESTING mines?

We are doomed. All hail the 2022 patch release.

[sector_terror]

CODE mines? Not even PLAYTESTING mines?

We are doomed. All hail the 2022 patch release.

to be fair, to the proggramer QA testing is still just more of the same. Revision is still called "writing" as much as the actual putting new words to paper. But I feel you. I hope I'm right in predicting february-april.

[Lucky Mushroom]

I really fall in love with doom class. Me best to wach and kill anything fleet is with one paragon with 4 tychon lance and 2 heavy neadler and rest of fleet are Dooms with those big reaper launcher 4 Hammer class torpedo and expanded missle racks. Ofcourse the best thing to do is to get high flux agains any ship and wach tens of mines spawn in proximity. They are good agains fighters too. This look like 00:00 in New Year. Check this out Your loadout may be diffrent but you will try this and will see what band of 35DP  ships can do.