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JohnVicres

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How the hell do Squalls work, if they work, do they?
« on: June 25, 2020, 06:46:58 PM »

I am not using any mods that change weapons, so I dunno about that, but how the hell is the tracking mechanism for the squalls activated? For me they seem 100% dumb-fire, aside from some engagements where they seemed to track fighters, of all things. Also, the tracking description says "special", for a cherry top on my confusion. What gives?
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Re: How the hell do Squalls work, if they work, do they?
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2020, 07:24:00 PM »

Phase 1: Just after missile leave a rack it has slow speed, but excellent leading, resulting accurate rotation to the target regardless of initial fire direction. Short phase, to be said.

Phase 2: Dumbfire acceleration in this direction. can be inaccurate for fast targets. "Missile specialization" skill and ECCM hullmod gives it better speed and acceleration, resulting a slightly better accuracy. Still it is mostly "anti-cap shields suppression" weapon.
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Re: How the hell do Squalls work, if they work, do they?
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2020, 08:00:48 PM »

aaaaaahhh now I get it
I was using them in a Gryphon, so there were very little missile "maneuvers" from launch to full activation. Their tracking description should be changed, honestly... semi-tracking or smth
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Re: How the hell do Squalls work, if they work, do they?
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2020, 09:42:10 PM »

aaaaaahhh now I get it
I was using them in a Gryphon, so there were very little missile "maneuvers" from launch to full activation. Their tracking description should be changed, honestly... semi-tracking or smth

Yeah you don't need to look at the target at all to have squalls hit them.  You can fire completely perpendicular and they'll reorient and smash into them.   Assuming they can't actually maneuver anyways.  The pressure they put out, especially in mass, can be brutal though.  They aren't killing anything without some sort of support though.
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Re: How the hell do Squalls work, if they work, do they?
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2020, 08:26:22 AM »

In terms of targeting: Like other missiles, they will fire at your selected target. If you don't have a selected target, they will fire at the enemy closest to the mouse at time of firing.
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Re: How the hell do Squalls work, if they work, do they?
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2020, 01:46:59 AM »

and don't use Gryphons, at the moment they are consider some of the worst ships in the game.
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Re: How the hell do Squalls work, if they work, do they?
« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2020, 01:52:56 AM »

and don't use Gryphons, at the moment they are consider some of the worst ships in the game.
Actually I wouldn't exactly call them bad. They're just heavily outshined by Falcon(P) which is also cheaper and faster. Otherwise they're completely fine, maybe a bit too squishy tho.
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Re: How the hell do Squalls work, if they work, do they?
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2020, 02:12:25 AM »

and don't use Gryphons, at the moment they are consider some of the worst ships in the game.
Actually I wouldn't exactly call them bad. They're just heavily outshined by Falcon(P) which is also cheaper and faster. Otherwise they're completely fine, maybe a bit too squishy tho.

They have a lot of kinetic hardpoints that they can hardly make use of due to their horrendous base dissipation of 200, the Heron with less DP, better shields/flux and faster movement is superior in that regard.
Add to this that bombers are basically unlimited missiles versus the one-use missile forge and the ship really struggle to be more than a cruiser sized gimmick for blasting specific targets.

I still love the design and try to use it, however it will either stay irrelevant in the back or struggle to even stay alive on the front.
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Re: How the hell do Squalls work, if they work, do they?
« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2020, 02:21:59 AM »

Irrelevant? They can solo an Onslaught! :P
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Re: How the hell do Squalls work, if they work, do they?
« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2020, 02:25:42 AM »

I don't agree personally.

The Gryphon isn't all that good, but it's hardly a waste of space and frankly what does a missile boat need flux for? Missiles are flux free and can be some of the deadliest weapons in the game.

If anything the Falcon P is just weirdly 'overpowered' with free built in mods and hybrid weapon mounts.
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Re: How the hell do Squalls work, if they work, do they?
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2020, 03:38:28 AM »

Yes they can destroy way bigger targets when player controlled, so can an afflictor slaughter entire fleets, destroying more DP than you're worth is a daily feat for any respectable ship in the player's hands.

As for a missile platform, it's good at it but that's it, it won't tank anything, won't have impressive pd, is the slowest midline, and the AI can't use the forge properly.
Next to it we have the Eagle with massive staying power and a statline to drool over, and the untouchable Heron with triple enhanced fighter bay along hybrid slots that it has the flux to use despite being a carrier.

The Gryphon is still in the shadow of other ships of the same calibre, without even counting the special case of Falcon(P), and the upcoming patch with AI aggressiveness improvements may prove lethal to it's already feeble statline.
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Re: How the hell do Squalls work, if they work, do they?
« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2020, 03:50:22 AM »

I mean I feel like you are comparing it to the roles of other midline ships, which are all specialists, and are calling it terrible because of it.

It's not supposed to be a tanky gunboat, because that's the Eagle, nor a Fast Carrier like the Heron, Nor a fast cruiser like the Falcon.

It's job is to bring a large missile mount to bare, along with a reload ability (of which the AI sucks at using any ability in the game) and that's that really. Not that it couldn't use a buff but the reason it got nerfed in the first place was it's ability to be a cruiser that could kill capital ship fleets, on it's own.

Think of it as a bigger vigilance, or missile based sunder or hammerhead, and it comes out all right.

Not a great ship, but a specialised tool to be used for one purpose (bringing missile mounts).
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Re: How the hell do Squalls work, if they work, do they?
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2020, 05:18:25 AM »

I do get that it's primary role is as a missile platform, it's also my favourite ship design (neither looks like junk held together by tape, nor a modern art project) and always have one in my fleet as it's great to have a squall in order to split the enemy fleet in half.

It is most certainly over blowing it to say it's irrelevant, however every midline specialist get some flexibility, as all of them dispose of at least some missile and/or hybrid mounts along their main strength, along respectable stats everywhere.

Looking at DP cost it is supposed to be the next best thing after a Conquest, along the Eagle, yet we have to compare it to destroyers and it's still falling short everywhere but in the large missile mount, the only non-capital one, the only vanilla missile ship that is not a frigate.

The Gryphon is unique, if you want that mount you either get him or skip to the endgame, so it's important for it to not be too strong, the issue being that every other midline ship is above average in the charts, the only balanced ship within a well-performing family.

It's a flying large missile slot above all else, at over half the DP of capitals that get two of them along entire arsenals and far superior stats.
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Re: How the hell do Squalls work, if they work, do they?
« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2020, 07:24:30 AM »

Squalls stink.  Terrible tracking and not enough ammo.

Gryphon is a carrier wannabe (bad mobility and defenses) that uses warship AI.  Result is not pretty if given to AI.  Get a real carrier if you want a missileship, because fighters are effectively missiles by another name, and AI in a carrier will back off from enemies.

I am waiting for the classic Aurora (with large missile and high-energy focus), which will be reborn as a new midline ship, to return.
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Re: How the hell do Squalls work, if they work, do they?
« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2020, 08:29:32 AM »

Typically I find the Gryphon sadly better leaving the large missile slot empty XD
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