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Solphyre

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Paragon with four Uhlans
« on: June 07, 2020, 09:48:22 PM »

Sorry if this has already been talked about

This morning I had a thought. If you alternate fire four Uhlans on a Paragon. Would it cycle through the four shots slow enough that the first shot would be ready to fire again?

I started to think about the possibility of an infinite Uhlan spam Paragon. I just finished testing it and it works. With full vents, you can have four Uhlans firing constantly with plenty of room for return fire against your shields. The only downside in my mind is no room really for other weapons. But honestly, who needs then when you have four Uhlans constantly firing.
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Re: Paragon with four Uhlans
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2020, 10:01:49 PM »

Alternating fire will under-utilize weapon group if individual weapons have too long firing sequence compared to cooldown, since only 1 can be firing at any given time (when holding the button, you can simply rapid-click instead). For example 3 TLs are fine but 4 are not. Otherwise it works more or less perfectly.

Just test it in sim.
« Last Edit: June 14, 2020, 12:21:35 AM by TaLaR »
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Re: Paragon with four Uhlans
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2020, 10:59:33 PM »

Paragon with four <anything> sucks. Always. And I'm talking not about battle efficiency, but a general gameplay boringness.
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Re: Paragon with four Uhlans
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2020, 12:49:37 AM »

Well, if you only have a paragon deployed. A combined arms fleet however can more comfortably afford a specialised load out on your battleships.
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Re: Paragon with four Uhlans
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2020, 12:46:34 PM »

I think 2 Uhlans + Expanded Magazines would be a better choice, + 2 other slots for large beam weapons
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Re: Paragon with four Uhlans
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2020, 01:31:54 PM »

I am still thinking of sticking a pair of Tachyon Lances up front and whatever is reasonable for turrets with Paragon.

In my vanilla fleet configurations, a Paragon gets priority as the center of any battle. Front shield conversion and stabilized shields to make them the point man of the combat fleet while the rest coordinate to take on the hostiles with flanks and bombers. My PD coverage depends on the factions I intend to face. Though I need to be careful with phase ships. Especially Harbingers since they can interrupt Paragon shields.

In mod situations, I go for the ORA Enlightenment as the premier tank master of the battle fleet. Their job is not dealing damage since that is for carriers and flankers.

My fleet preferences are a bit like the Greek city-states of hoplites maintaining the battle front with long range, US carriers delivering death upfront and away, and Roman maniples pushing from the sides. Capitals and crusiers for main battles, cruisers and smaller for pursuits.
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Re: Paragon with four Uhlans
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2020, 07:09:31 PM »

Tried and tested Delete-a-ship-every-few-seconds quad tach lance is my go-to for most things at the moment. Sure it's overused, sure it's boring most of the time, but damn if it doesn't wipe the floor with 90% of the game  ::)
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Re: Paragon with four Uhlans
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2020, 08:30:42 AM »

Have you tried four autopulse lasers with extended mags?  Much more satisfying.

Maximum dakka, full damage against shields and armor, enough range to catch what you need, also doubles as an effective point defense screen if you sweep it across a cloud and with 45 rounds in each gun you WILL overload all shields before you stop firing, if not obliterate the target outright.  Frigates dodge frantically as you wave the storm around, destroyers melt, cruisers vainly try to shield tank as you grind their armor to paste and other capitals are just food.
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Re: Paragon with four Uhlans
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2020, 09:00:40 AM »

Have you tried four autopulse lasers with extended mags?

One of the worst of the Paragon's monoloadouts (after 4 HILs and Paladins), actually. Able to hunt a pirates or small pray, but nothing more. Autopulse are not good vs thick armor, so you need almost all of your ammo to do destroy a high-armor caps. Even a pair of HE ballistics in a universal mounts do not help much. Can you kill an Onslaught with a single volley? Yeah. Can you constantly brawl two or three of them? No. You running out of ammo too fast and lose most of the DPS. Also, too small range to hunt fast carriers or phase ships. Absolutely inefficient against other top-grade caps, like Paragon, Guardian and Radiant. Also, AI are not good with this loadout, tending to spent most of the ammo into the air.

Before you say I don't understand anything - that was one of my favorite loadouts, till I understand that monoloadouts sucks.
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Re: Paragon with four Uhlans
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2020, 09:38:03 AM »

I strongly disagree. Autopulse laser paragons are in my opinion the best and only realistic way of getting AI controlled paragons to fight Remnant Radiant battleships.

Anti-armour doesn't mean jack if you can't take down their shields before they teleport away. If you even can.
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Re: Paragon with four Uhlans
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2020, 09:51:05 AM »

Just you guys wait until Paladins gets buffed and 4 Paladin Paragon becomes the meta. It even sounds menacing. Quadruple PP
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Re: Paragon with four Uhlans
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2020, 10:20:39 AM »

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Have you tried double hardpoint plasma, double turrets HIL and double heavy needlers? Ensure they are in a three different weapon groups. Frontal shield, HS, stabilized shields, solar shielding and maxed dissipation. Twice as better with DS-3 officer.

P.S. ABSOLUTELY NOT A PERFECT AI Paragon antiradiant loadout. Just first to come in my mind among working variants.



Using my ESP I predict this thread to be converted into "best Paragon loadout discussion". Yet another.

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Re: Paragon with four Uhlans
« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2020, 12:26:30 PM »

One of the worst of the Paragon's monoloadouts (after 4 HILs and Paladins), actually. Able to hunt a pirates or small pray, but nothing more. Autopulse are not good vs thick armor, so you need almost all of your ammo to do destroy a high-armor caps.

While I agree that 4 Autopulses make a bad Paragon loadout, it's purely due to short range combined with slow speed.

5 Autopulses on a Radiant will chew through any armor in few seconds. In fact at this point it kind of becomes AI exploit, since enemy AI tends to consider them 'safe' and often drops shield at low flux only to get massively punished.
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