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Re: [0.9.1a] Industrial.Evolution 1.7.d - Industries with non-standard effects
« Reply #270 on: August 01, 2020, 09:51:49 PM »

For the upcoming reverse-engineering update: can it do the same for weapons/LPC?

Also, would be great, if we have a full mechanic in words. Exciting!
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Re: [0.9.1a] Industrial.Evolution 1.7.d - Industries with non-standard effects
« Reply #271 on: August 02, 2020, 02:51:21 AM »

I deleted all my military relays. The AI doesn't also seem to use them so its kinda unfair too.

In cases like this i recommend activating Brawl Mode. It doubles the size of Invasion Fleets.

With that mode i have seen 4 or 5 Invasion Fleets. Really makes your OP Fleets get a nice challenge.
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Re: [0.9.1a] Industrial.Evolution 1.7.d - Industries with non-standard effects
« Reply #272 on: August 02, 2020, 04:11:36 AM »

For the upcoming reverse-engineering update: can it do the same for weapons/LPC?

Also, would be great, if we have a full mechanic in words. Exciting!

When I made it for weapons/LPC as well, it sucked the fun out of the campaign - "not having access" to some things, even in theory, is imperative for the player reward cycle of visiting other planets and attacking others for loot.
But the ability to reverse engineer salvaged ships added neatly to the experience of the ship salvaging/combat loop instead of breaking it, so that's fine.

Regarding mechanics:
The structure adds a storage to the planet it is built on. You place ship hulls into that storage, which then get taken into the structure and are disassembled over time. You get "Research Progress" depending on the ship hull size, with a negative penalty for every D-Mod. Once you disassembled enough ship hulls to be at 100% progress, you can overwrite a blueprint of the same hull size with the new ship data. It takes multiple (3+) capital hulls to get to that point, so it's not easy - but very rewarding if you pull it off.

There is another upcoming thing that'll make it a bit easier to find that rare weapon you want, so no worries.

I deleted all my military relays. The AI doesn't also seem to use them so its kinda unfair too.

In cases like this i recommend activating Brawl Mode. It doubles the size of Invasion Fleets.

With that mode i have seen 4 or 5 Invasion Fleets. Really makes your OP Fleets get a nice challenge.

Next update clamps the total bonus a relay can provide to the maximum fleet size available in the network - if your highest planet has 300%, no other planet with a relay will exceed that number.
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Re: [0.9.1a] Industrial.Evolution 1.7.d - Industries with non-standard effects
« Reply #273 on: August 02, 2020, 04:46:09 AM »

The structure adds a storage to the planet it is built on. You place ship hulls into that storage, which then get taken into the structure and are disassembled over time. You get "Research Progress" depending on the ship hull size, with a negative penalty for every D-Mod. Once you disassembled enough ship hulls to be at 100% progress, you can overwrite a blueprint of the same hull size with the new ship data. It takes multiple (3+) capital hulls to get to that point, so it's not easy - but very rewarding if you pull it off.

Is that mean just "restore your hulls with money before placing to special storage"? See no point in negative penalty on D-mods.

And what is it mean "overwrite"??? Is it about BP-item you need to have in storage, or about a known ships list?
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Re: [0.9.1a] Industrial.Evolution 1.7.d - Industries with non-standard effects
« Reply #274 on: August 02, 2020, 04:55:55 AM »

The structure adds a storage to the planet it is built on. You place ship hulls into that storage, which then get taken into the structure and are disassembled over time. You get "Research Progress" depending on the ship hull size, with a negative penalty for every D-Mod. Once you disassembled enough ship hulls to be at 100% progress, you can overwrite a blueprint of the same hull size with the new ship data. It takes multiple (3+) capital hulls to get to that point, so it's not easy - but very rewarding if you pull it off.

Is that mean just "restore your hulls with money before placing to special storage"? See no point in negative penalty on D-mods.

And what is it mean "overwrite"??? Is it about BP-item you need to have in storage, or about a known ships list?

Costs, costs, costs - sure, you can restore it - but that'll eat through your funds in a breeze.
Overwrite means that a blueprint of the same hull size has to be installed into the building like a Nanoforge.
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Re: [0.9.1a] Industrial.Evolution 1.7.d - Industries with non-standard effects
« Reply #275 on: August 02, 2020, 05:10:38 AM »

Overwrite means that a blueprint of the same hull size has to be installed into the building like a Nanoforge.

I will not ask how you did that. Probably magic.

See a little problem here - players would grind BP from raiding weak factions without learning them (to be able to loot it from raid again and again) just to have a source of infinite spendable BP to supply reverse engineering structure. I don't consider this as a big issue, still it would be good to have a way to evade this.
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Re: [0.9.1a] Industrial.Evolution 1.7.d - Industries with non-standard effects
« Reply #276 on: August 02, 2020, 07:06:31 AM »

Overwrite means that a blueprint of the same hull size has to be installed into the building like a Nanoforge.

I will not ask how you did that. Probably magic.

See a little problem here - players would grind BP from raiding weak factions without learning them (to be able to loot it from raid again and again) just to have a source of infinite spendable BP to supply reverse engineering structure. I don't consider this as a big issue, still it would be good to have a way to evade this.

Yup, black magic.
I don't think that motivating the player to play the game is a problem :P
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Re: [0.9.1a] Industrial.Evolution 1.7.d - Industries with non-standard effects
« Reply #277 on: August 02, 2020, 10:40:15 AM »

I think its pretty good mechanics in general. Some players want to go for exploration and find BP, but some didnt. Players who want to fight 24\7 now have the way to accure BP as well.
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Re: [0.9.1a] Industrial.Evolution 1.7.d - Industries with non-standard effects
« Reply #278 on: August 03, 2020, 07:58:12 AM »

Drunken suggestion:

Reverse engineering is available for the whitelist, right?

And what shall we do with ships not in that list? Or those unique ships, you can not obtain more than one? Obviously player shouldn't obtain the BP to create entire fleet of them, but how about rough copying? Put one ship into the hangar, disassemble it, duplicate parts - assemble more than one. Output - two (or three) hulls of a same type with a specific built-in hullmod that gives a "counterfeit" penalty to ship stats and inability to duplicate it again.

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