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InvictusImperator

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Heron vs Mora
« on: October 25, 2019, 11:46:52 AM »

What is a better carrier? The Heron is incredibly fast but even then, a frigate or destroyer could still catch up to it. On the other hand, the Mora is literally a tank but can be anything due to its flexibility. What’s better?
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Lucky33

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Re: Heron vs Mora
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2019, 11:57:24 AM »

Given normal fighters:

Heron is better strike carrier since it can destroy most of the ships up to cruiser size in one run. Mora is more of a suppression platform for times then you are in need to bolster your frontline ranks. Stunlocks everyone and just dont die.

Given REDACTED fighters:

Since you didnt count Drover - Mora.
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Thaago

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Re: Heron vs Mora
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2019, 12:00:24 PM »

As a carrier? The Heron. Between the speed and system, it is about twice as good at being a dedicated carrier.

The Mora isn't a bad ship though, if built as an interceptor spewing brawler: its very hard to kill, has a good number of the excellent small ballistic mounts, and has the burst firepower in its missiles to heavily punish ships that overload nearby.

[Edit] I wouldn't say the Heron can destroy ships up to cruiser size in 1 run... its theoretically possible, but only if the ship is already overloaded by something else. Its not going to get through the shields of a cruiser or destroyer in a single attack run.
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Re: Heron vs Mora
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2019, 12:13:22 PM »

Heron, if you use dedicated carriers. It doesn't matter if it's durable or not, if the enemy can't reach it anyway. Mora has more OP, more strike capability and is more durable, so if you can't guarantee that your carriers aren't going to get harassed, it's a safer bet.

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Re: Heron vs Mora
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2019, 01:18:16 PM »

[Edit] I wouldn't say the Heron can destroy ships up to cruiser size in 1 run... its theoretically possible, but only if the ship is already overloaded by something else. Its not going to get through the shields of a cruiser or destroyer in a single attack run.

Longbow+Triden+Trident. Enough for Falcons, Gryphons, Colossuses and other Herons.
« Last Edit: October 25, 2019, 01:24:20 PM by Lucky33 »
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Re: Heron vs Mora
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2019, 01:26:34 PM »

Hmm, just tested: that will get through destroyer shields, but fails against Falcons (about half of strikes get 1 torpedo through). Others weren't available in SIM and I'm lazy. It was more effective than what I thought, but less effective than you say.

Is this assuming a skills vs no skills? Thats reasonable for many targets in campaign and I can see it getting through shields more regularly.
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Re: Heron vs Mora
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2019, 01:47:27 PM »

Its officered carrier against whatever campaign throws at it.

Longbows rise the flux or even overloads, first volley of torpedoes guaranteed to overload, second finishes off.
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Re: Heron vs Mora
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2019, 01:55:26 PM »

I bring Mora if I want extra OP (more than Heron) to squeeze Surveying Equipment on more ships, or if I want my ships to tank while I drive Onslaught and kill things.  For default use, Heron.

Heron feels too OP starved for luxuries.  Mora, with a bit more OP, I can squeeze a luxury mod in if I really want it.
« Last Edit: October 25, 2019, 01:56:57 PM by Megas »
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Re: Heron vs Mora
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2019, 02:35:31 AM »

In my completely biased opinion Heron > Mora.
Heron is imo, the best general purpose carrier platform in the game.
Although its lack of OP makes for some interesting/painful choices, and the mediocre peak time often means it has to withdraw sooner than you'd like.

Mora is something I'd use more as a support element with long-range fighters, and missile artillery.
Doesn't matter how good your ship is at brawling if it's far behind the front line and struggling to keep up. Although I will admit this may be down to me preferring to deploy flagship only at first to draw the enemy into a favourable position.
Makes for a decent campaign support ship regardless though.


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Re: Heron vs Mora
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2019, 05:41:44 AM »

As long as the Heron can retreat behind another ship, its speed is basically better than the Mora's damper field. Not many ships can both chase down and threaten a Heron. Whatever is chasing a Heron will be attacked by its fighters. A Mora needs rescuing from danger. A Heron rescues itself. A railgun Mora sounds great till you realise that it has to close in to other Cruisers, and it has has only the firepower of a Destroyer with the speed of a slow Cruiser. I think it depends on what kind of stage your fleet is at. In a big fleet, a Heron is better, but in a smaller fleet, a Mora might do better since fights are almost 1v1 and a Mora in theory should do well against lots of frigates.

Can be anything is not an advantage if that choice is weaker than another option and you don't have the choice to reconfigure before a fight.
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Re: Heron vs Mora
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2019, 10:59:17 AM »

Heron is good but speed is a double edged sword in AI hands - they can rush forward and die too fast to protect them. Mora's is predictable and slow and can tank reaper strikes with damper field.
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Re: Heron vs Mora
« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2019, 11:07:51 AM »

I'd say Heron is better suited for burn driving capitals like Onslaughr and Legion, where Mora would be better escorting slower Paragon type ships.
« Last Edit: October 26, 2019, 11:20:28 AM by DrPhat »
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