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Alex

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Re: Starsector 0.9.1a (Released) Patch Notes
« Reply #825 on: August 07, 2019, 09:14:11 AM »

Bar delivery quests don't create the (!) important marker on the destination market.

Huh, you're right - fixed that up.

Does this also apply to the Decivilized Subpopulation condition? Because that's still being removed on abandon.

It didn't apply; fixed as well.

Idea: Just as interacting with a jump point suggests the player turn on their transponder when entering a system, leaving a system should prompt player to turn it off.

Hmm, let me think about that. I kind of want to limit the amount of potentially intrusive-feeling handholding. For jumping in, I think it's worth it because the annoyance of forgetting and getting stopped by a patrol is very high. For jumping out... worst thing you get is a tough fight, but you can at least *fight*, so - at least imo - it doesn't feel nearly as bad to forget. Like, it's ok to realize a tad late and turn it off.
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Re: Starsector 0.9.1a (Released) Patch Notes
« Reply #826 on: August 07, 2019, 09:51:24 AM »

Plus, I normally wander around in hyperspace with transponder on - can't join in on any battles without that, and I'm not generally worried about getting jumped by pirates.  I'll typically only turn it off for long-distance exploration voyages.
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Re: Starsector 0.9.1a (Released) Patch Notes
« Reply #827 on: August 07, 2019, 12:41:52 PM »

A bit outside the scope here, but given newfound interest and a measure of QC stuff fixed in the back, would a new hotfix be an option? I mean, i know this is what was wanted to be avoided, but maybe it'd be nice to get a more polished version out now to the feeding masses before the next year-long wait?
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Re: Starsector 0.9.1a (Released) Patch Notes
« Reply #828 on: August 07, 2019, 01:31:24 PM »

A bit outside the scope here, but given newfound interest and a measure of QC stuff fixed in the back, would a new hotfix be an option? I mean, i know this is what was wanted to be avoided, but maybe it'd be nice to get a more polished version out now to the feeding masses before the next year-long wait?

It's not... well, I won't say "not possible", but it's extremely impractical. I suspect any attempt to extricate not-ready-for-public-consumption features from QoL improvements and create a build with just the latter would - aside from taking a long time to do - result in a net increase in the number of bugs.
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Re: Starsector 0.9.1a (Released) Patch Notes
« Reply #829 on: August 07, 2019, 07:04:15 PM »

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Does this also apply to the Decivilized Subpopulation condition? Because that's still being removed on abandon.

It didn't apply; fixed as well.

Will there be a new method of dealing with the decivilized subpopulation modifier in the future? That's one of those modifiers that's really irritating to deal with and whose permanence doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
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Re: Starsector 0.9.1a (Released) Patch Notes
« Reply #830 on: August 07, 2019, 07:16:40 PM »

There are already ways of dealing with it, namely raising stability through the many available means. As far as its permanence, think of it as an entrenched population that knows the planet far better than you do and has absolutely zero trust for you and - at least in part - likely views you as an invader.
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Re: Starsector 0.9.1a (Released) Patch Notes
« Reply #831 on: August 12, 2019, 03:58:35 AM »

I think rasing stability doesn't really do anything to affect the hazard rating which only affects upkeep? Stability only affects ground and fleet effects doesn't it?

It always struck me as odd that you could have a population of billions or tens of billions, yet the colony would still have the decivilised modifier. At that the point the original population would be tiny. If actively resisting they would have been eliminated by ground forces a long time ago. If disruptive, their effect must surely be less than any amount of organised criminals in your world. +25% hazard rating seems completely overblown, on the same level as various hazards like hot that necessitates specialised equipment to perform operations, complicating life support and infrastructure. If it transfered to a stability rating to represent that entrenched population it would make more sense.
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Re: Starsector 0.9.1a (Released) Patch Notes
« Reply #832 on: August 12, 2019, 07:37:08 AM »

It always struck me as odd that you could have a population of billions or tens of billions...

(That's fair, but imo the solution to that - if we wanted to "solve" it - is tweaking things so you can't get to that point in any reasonable amount of time. Like, if we're looking at "what's odd", *that's* definitely the thing that sticks out in this situation!)
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Re: Starsector 0.9.1a (Released) Patch Notes
« Reply #833 on: August 12, 2019, 09:02:35 AM »

Sounds like you be tweaking population growth. Eventually though, if there isn't a cap of time, or a hard cap of population someone will reach high enough population that decivilised makes no sense as a hazard.

But I'm not too familiar with colony mechanics, so I am wondering how raising stability would deal with the decivilised modifier.
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Re: Starsector 0.9.1a (Released) Patch Notes
« Reply #834 on: August 12, 2019, 09:25:29 AM »

I rather have pollution than decivilized.  At least pollution is only -25% hazard.  Decivilized adds stability penalty on top of that.  Increased hazard takes a big bite out of the population bonus from decivilized.  With decivilized, I need all of the colony skills to keep 10 stability while using Free Port.

I agree it makes no sense to have entrenched terrorists after your colony grows so big to dwarf them.  If they are that disruptive, I imagine no one would feel sorry after they get exterminated.

I would not mind sat bombing a planet if means eradicating any decivilized subpopulation.  Maybe that can be an incentive to sat bomb a planet instead of stealth raiding it repeatedly for eventual decivilization and planet kill.
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Re: Starsector 0.9.1a (Released) Patch Notes
« Reply #835 on: August 12, 2019, 09:39:20 AM »

But I'm not too familiar with colony mechanics, so I am wondering how raising stability would deal with the decivilised modifier.

Ah, I'm sorry, I wasn't thinking of the hazard rating modifier. Increasing stability would, in fact, only deal with the stability portion of it.
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Re: Starsector 0.9.1a (Released) Patch Notes
« Reply #836 on: August 12, 2019, 03:34:19 PM »

Thank you. If you are tweaking population growth, perhaps you can have migrant passenger missions or such like to increase population, though "escort" missions are usually boring.
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Re: Starsector 0.9.1a (Released) Patch Notes
« Reply #837 on: August 13, 2019, 08:30:53 PM »

Please considering displaying this tooltip when opening up the cargo menu for the first time around.
I had to search how basic menuing works and I am not the only one.

https://old.reddit.com/r/starsector/comments/cli5vf/are_there_any_ways_to_buy_specific_amounts_of/


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Re: Starsector 0.9.1a (Released) Patch Notes
« Reply #838 on: August 13, 2019, 09:03:27 PM »

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Re: Starsector 0.9.1a (Released) Patch Notes
« Reply #839 on: August 13, 2019, 09:06:26 PM »

Ah, the game actually already does exactly this, when help popups are enabled:

https://imgur.com/a/RLcCw7l

Apparently, though, that's not sufficient... hmm.

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Welcome to the forum, btw! (Thanks for reporting the Ion Storm typo in the other thread; fixed that up just now.)
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