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[DatonKallandor]

As per Subject - anyone got that version or the weapon_data.csv from it?

I wanted to bring back the clip-based ballistics for a personal mod, but it turns out because that got removed in a hotfix not a numbered update I can't even get that version back. And that versions numbers are a pretty great starting point.

[xenoargh]

I might have that archived at home.  But... the clip-based mechanics still work, they're just not in the CSV anymore.

[DatonKallandor]

I know they still work, but their first implementation was incredibly solid balance wise and it'd take ages to get them to that point from scratch.

[Alex]

Fairly sure this is it:

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name,id,tier,base value,range,damage/second,damage/shot,emp,impact,turn rate,OPs,ammo,ammo/sec,reload size,type,energy/shot,energy/second,chargeup,chargedown,burst size,burst delay,min spread,max spread,spread/shot,spread decay/sec,beam speed,proj speed,launch speed,flight time,proj hitpoints,hints,number
Light Machine Gun,lightmg,0,100,300,,25,,1,50,3,50,2,10,KINETIC,3,,0,0.4,5,0.1,0,5,1,15,,600,,,10,PD,0.5
Light Dual Machine Gun,lightdualmg,2,400,300,,25,,1,50,5,75,3,15,KINETIC,3,,0,0.2,5,0.1,0,5,1,15,,600,,,10,PD,0.7
Light Mortar,lightmortar,0,75,450,,75,,4,30,2,50,0.25,5,HIGH_EXPLOSIVE,50,,0,1,1,,0,20,5,5,,500,,,10,,0.75
Vulcan Cannon,vulcan,1,200,250,,25,,1,75,4,100,5,20,FRAGMENTATION,1,,0,0.05,1,,0,15,1,15,,800,,,10,PD,1
Light Autocannon,lightac,0,125,600,,50,,3,10,4,100,1,5,KINETIC,55,,0,0.5,1,,0,20,3,9,,800,,,20,,2
Light Dual Autocannon,lightdualac,1,300,600,,50,,3,10,5,180,1.5,6,KINETIC,50,,0,0.6,2,0.1,0,20,3,9,,800,,,20,,2.5
Light Assault Gun,lightag,1,300,600,,40,,3,40,5,100,2,10,HIGH_EXPLOSIVE,40,,0,0.25,1,,0,10,2,10,,800,,,30,,3
Frag Bomb Bay,fragbomb,0,100,1500,,500,,40,15,3,30,,,FRAGMENTATION,0,,0,2,1,,0,0,0,0,,20,50,60,50,"STRIKE, ANTI_FTR,SYSTEM",3.2
Cluster Bomb Bay,clusterbomb,2,350,1500,,300,,30,15,5,30,,,HIGH_EXPLOSIVE,0,,0,2,5,0.1,0,0,0,0,,20,20,60,75,"STRIKE,SYSTEM",3.4
Standard Bomb Bay,bomb,1,200,1500,,600,,50,15,4,10,,,HIGH_EXPLOSIVE,0,,0,1,1,,0,0,0,0,,20,20,60,100,STRIKE,3.5
Light Needler,lightneedler,3,800,800,,50,,1,20,9,50,2,10,KINETIC,40,,0,2.5,10,0.1,0,10,1,5,,1200,,,10,,3.65
Railgun,railgun,2,600,700,,100,,10,30,7,30,1,3,KINETIC,90,,0.6,0,1,,,,,,,1000,,,50,,3.75
Thumper,shredder,0,700,600,,90,,1,15,9,300,2,20,FRAGMENTATION,30,,0.5,0.2,9999,0.2,0,2,0.2,2,,600,,,30,,3.8
Heavy Machine Gun,heavymg,2,1500,400,,40,,3,40,12,200,3,20,KINETIC,15,,0,0.2,4,0.1,0,5,1,15,,700,,,30,PD,3.85
Flak Cannon,flak,1,1000,500,,200,,10,40,8,10,0.5,2,FRAGMENTATION,50,,0,1,1,,0,10,2,10,,700,,,30,PD,4
Arbalest Autocannon,arbalest,0,800,700,,150,,10,12,8,20,0.5,5,KINETIC,170,,0,1,1,,0,15,5,10,,800,,,30,,4.125
Dual Flak Cannon,dualflak,2,2000,400,,150,,10,60,12,50,2,10,FRAGMENTATION,50,,0,0.33,1,,0,10,2,10,,700,,,30,PD,4.25
Assault Chaingun,chaingun,1,1200,700,,40,,3,30,10,200,4,20,HIGH_EXPLOSIVE,40,,0,0.15,1,,0,20,1,10,,800,,,30,,4.5
Heavy Mauler,heavymauler,2,2500,1000,,250,,10,20,12,10,0.5,,HIGH_EXPLOSIVE,225,,0,1,1,,0,10,2,5,,900,,,30,,4.75
Heavy Autocannon,heavyac,1,1200,800,,100,,10,7,10,120,1,6,KINETIC,100,,0,1,3,0.2,0,18,3,10,,800,,,30,,5
Hypervelocity Driver,hveldriver,2,2750,1000,,275,400,40,10,13,10,0.25,,KINETIC,350,,0,2,1,,,,,,,1000,,,300,,5.5
Heavy Needler,heavyneedler,3,3000,800,,50,,1,15,15,105,2,15,KINETIC,40,,0,2.5,15,0.075,0,10,1,5,,1200,,,10,,5.75
Gauss Cannon,gauss,2,7000,1200,,700,,300,3,25,6,0.25,2,KINETIC,800,,1,1,,,,,,,,1200,,,400,,6
Hephaestus Assault Gun,hephag,1,5000,900,,120,,5,20,20,200,2,10,HIGH_EXPLOSIVE,120,,0,0.25,1,,0,10,2,10,,800,,,50,,7
Mark IX Autocannon,mark9,0,4000,900,,200,,20,10,18,120,0.75,8,KINETIC,230,,0,2,4,0.1,0,15,2,10,,800,,,100,,7.25
Mjolnir Cannon,mjolnir,2,10000,900,,400,200,10,25,24,12,0.75,3,ENERGY,400,,0,0.75,1,,0,5,1,10,,900,,,75,,7.5
Hellbore Cannon,hellbore,0,4000,900,,750,,200,5,16,5,0.33333,,HIGH_EXPLOSIVE,825,,0,1.5,1,,0,10,5,10,,500,,,400,,8
Storm Needler,multineedler,3,12000,800,,75,,20,15,28,300,5,30,KINETIC,50,,1,0.1,9999,0.1,0,0,0,0,,900,,,20,,8.5
Reaper-class Torpedo,reaper,1,200,1200,,4000,,300,10,2,1,,,HIGH_EXPLOSIVE,0,,0,1,1,,0,0,0,0,,400,100,3,500,STRIKE,9
Atropos-class Torpedo Rack,atropos,2,400,1300,,2000,,150,10,6,2,,,HIGH_EXPLOSIVE,0,,0,1,1,,0,0,0,0,,250,50,8,250,"STRIKE, DO_NOT_AIM",9.5
Atropos-class Torpedo (Single),atropos_single,2,200,1300,,2000,,150,10,2,1,,,HIGH_EXPLOSIVE,0,,0,1,1,,0,0,0,0,,250,50,8,250,"STRIKE, DO_NOT_AIM",9.75
Swarmer SRM Launcher,swarmer,1,250,1000,,75,,15,50,4,60,,,HIGH_EXPLOSIVE,0,,0,5,4,0.2,0,0,0,0,,300,100,5,50,"ANTI_FTR, DO_NOT_AIM, DO_NOT_CONSERVE",10
Swarmer SRM Launcher,swarmer_fighter,1,250,1000,,75,,15,50,4,,,,HIGH_EXPLOSIVE,0,,0,5,2,0.2,0,0,0,0,,300,100,5,50,"ANTI_FTR, DO_NOT_AIM, SYSTEM,DO_NOT_CONSERVE",10
Annihilator Rocket Launcher,annihilator,0,150,1500,,200,,20,30,4,50,,,HIGH_EXPLOSIVE,0,,0,5,5,0.2,0,0,0,0,,400,50,3,50,CONSERVE_1,11
Salamander MRM,heatseeker,1,225,2000,,500,1500,50,30,5,,,,FRAGMENTATION,0,,0,20,1,,0,0,0,,,400,50,15,150,"DO_NOT_AIM, HEATSEEKER",11.25
Harpoon MRM,harpoon,1,200,2500,,750,,50,30,5,3,,,HIGH_EXPLOSIVE,0,,0,1,1,,0,0,0,,,300,100,12.5,150,DO_NOT_AIM,11.5
Harpoon MRM (Single),harpoon_single,0,100,2500,,750,,50,30,1,1,,,HIGH_EXPLOSIVE,0,,0,1,1,,0,0,0,,,300,100,12.5,150,DO_NOT_AIM,11.6125
Sabot SRM,sabot,1,200,1400,,100,,50,30,5,3,,,KINETIC,0,,0,1,1,,0,0,0,0,,150,50,8,300,GUIDED_POOR,11.75
Sabot SRM (Single),sabot_single,0,100,1400,,100,,50,30,1,1,,,KINETIC,0,,0,1,1,,0,0,0,0,,150,50,8,300,GUIDED_POOR,11.85
Harpoon MRM Pod,harpoonpod,1,1200,2500,,750,,50,10,10,12,,,HIGH_EXPLOSIVE,0,,0,8,4,0.25,0,0,0,,,300,100,12.5,150,DO_NOT_AIM,12
Sabot SRM Pod,sabotpod,1,1200,1400,,100,,50,10,10,12,,,KINETIC,0,,0,8,4,0.25,0,0,0,0,,150,50,8,300,GUIDED_POOR,12.1
Salamander MRM Pod,salamanderpod,1,1200,2000,,500,1500,50,10,10,,,,FRAGMENTATION,0,,0,20,2,0.25,0,0,0,,,400,50,15,150,"DO_NOT_AIM, HEATSEEKER",12.2
Annihilator Rocket Pod,annihilatorpod,0,1200,1500,,200,,20,30,10,100,,,HIGH_EXPLOSIVE,0,,0,0.5,1,,0,0,0,0,,400,50,3,50,,12.3
Pilum LRM Launcher,pilum,0,900,10000,,500,,75,10,10,30,0.1,,HIGH_EXPLOSIVE,0,,0,15,3,0.4,0,0,0,0,,250,100,40,125,"DO_NOT_AIM, CONSERVE_1",12.5
Proximity Charge Launcher,phasecl,2,2000,1000,,500,,100,30,12,30,,,HIGH_EXPLOSIVE,0,,0,3,1,,0,0,0,0,,50,200,20,250,ANTI_FTR,13
Typhoon Reaper Launcher,typhoon,1,1200,1200,,4000,,300,20,10,5,,,HIGH_EXPLOSIVE,0,,0,15,1,,0,0,0,0,,400,100,3,500,STRIKE,14
Cyclone Reaper Launcher,cyclone,2,6000,1200,,4000,,300,20,26,20,,,HIGH_EXPLOSIVE,0,,0,15,2,1,0,0,0,0,,400,100,3,500,STRIKE,15
Hurricane MIRV Launcher,hurricane,1,7500,5000,,500,,100,10,25,10,0.05,,HIGH_EXPLOSIVE,0,,0,10,1,,0,0,0,0,,250,50,20,200,DO_NOT_AIM,16
Mining Laser,mininglaser,0,100,600,30,,,0,30,2,,,,ENERGY,,35,0.25,0.25,,,,,,,2400,,,,,PD,16.5
PD Laser,pdlaser,1,200,400,75,,,0,100,4,,,,ENERGY,,50,0,0.25,,,,,,,2400,,,,,PD,17
Tactical Laser,taclaser,1,200,1000,75,,,0,20,4,,,,ENERGY,,75,0.1,0.1,,,,,,,2400,,,,,,18
Ion Cannon,ioncannon,2,500,600,,25,400,0,40,6,,,,ENERGY,80,,0.5,0,,,,,,,,1000,,,,,19
IR Pulse Laser,irpulse,1,250,500,,50,,0,50,6,,,,ENERGY,50,,0.33,0,,,,,,,,1000,,,,,19.25
LR PD Laser,lrpdlaser,2,400,550,50,,,0,75,5,,,,ENERGY,,40,0,0.25,,,,,,,2400,,,,,PD,19.5
Burst PD Laser,pdburst,2,600,500,350,,,0,100,7,2,0.5,,ENERGY,,350,0.1,0.1,0.3,0.1,,,,,10000,,,,,"PD,ANTI_FTR",15.6
Antimatter Blaster,amblaster,3,900,400,,1400,,0,30,9,20,,,ENERGY,1500,,0.25,10,,,0,0,0,0,,1000,,,100,"STRIKE,USE_VS_FRIGATES",19.75
Phase Lance,phasebeam,1,1500,600,500,,200,0,20,10,,,,ENERGY,,600,0.25,0.5,1,3,,,,,3200,,,,,,20
Graviton Beam,gravitonbeam,2,2200,1000,100,,,10,15,9,,,,KINETIC,,75,0.1,0.1,,,,,,,2400,,,,,,21
Pulse Laser,pulselaser,1,1200,600,,100,,0,20,10,,,,ENERGY,110,,0.33,0,,,,,,,,1000,,,,,22
Mining Blaster,miningblaster,1,1000,500,,700,,0,7,10,,,,ENERGY,1200,,0,2,,,,,,,,1000,,,,,22.125
Heavy Blaster,heavyblaster,2,3000,600,,500,,0,15,12,,,,ENERGY,720,,0,1,,,,,,,,1000,,,,,22.25
Heavy Burst Laser,heavyburst,2,2750,600,400,,,0,40,11,3,0.5,,ENERGY,,600,0.1,0.1,0.3,0.1,,,,,10000,,,,,"PD,ANTI_FTR",22.5
Plasma Cannon,plasma,3,20000,700,,750,,500,10,30,,,,ENERGY,1200,,0.333,3,3,0.333,,,,,,750,,,500,,23
High Intensity Laser,hil,1,5000,1000,250,,,0,5,16,,,,ENERGY,,250,0.1,0.1,,,,,,,2400,,,,,,24
Autopulse Laser,autopulse,1,5000,700,,125,,0,20,20,20,2,,ENERGY,100,,0.05,0.05,1,,0,10,1,5,,1000,,,,,25
Guardian PD System,guardian,2,9000,750,1000,,,0,75,22,20,1,,ENERGY,,1500,0,0,0.2,0.1,,,,,1000000,,,,,"PD,ANTI_FTR",26
Tachyon Lance,tachyonlance,3,25000,2500,500,,1000,0,7,32,,,,ENERGY,,1000,0.5,1,1,5,,,,,10000,,,,,,27
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Interdictor Beam,interdictorbeam,2,1000,700,0,,,100,15,5,,,,ENERGY,,100,0.5,1,,,,,,,2400,,,,,SYSTEM,33
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Flare Launcher 1,flarelauncher1,,,400,,10,100,,,,,0,,ENERGY,0,0,0,0.1,10,0.1,60,60,0,0,,150,300,3,1,SYSTEM,36
Flare Launcher (Fighter),flarelauncher2,,,200,,10,100,,,,,0,,ENERGY,0,0,0,0.1,1,0.1,30,30,0,0,,150,200,5,1,SYSTEM,37
Seeker Flare Launcher,flarelauncher3,,,500,,10,400,,,,,0,,ENERGY,0,0,0,0.1,3,0.1,90,90,0,0,,300,200,7,1,SYSTEM,38
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Thermal Pulse Cannon,tpc,0,100000,1000,,250,,0,0,,20,1,,ENERGY,200,,0,0.2,1,,0,10,2,5,,1000,,,,"SYSTEM,SHOW_IN_CODEX",40
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Sensor Dish,sensordish,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,SYSTEM,43
Blinker Red,blinker_red,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,SYSTEM,44
Blinker Green,blinker_green,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,SYSTEM,45
Lights - Buffalo,lights_buffalo,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,SYSTEM,46
Lights - Hound,lights_hound,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,SYSTEM,47
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[Wyvern]

I know they still work, but their first implementation was incredibly solid balance wise and it'd take ages to get them to that point from scratch.

I'm not sure I agree with that.  It had some places where it worked well - balancing otherwise high-performance weapons like the Mjolnir or Gauss Cannon.  But it also had some places where it didn't work well - most of the lower-end ballistics come to mind.  Plus the fact that there's (still!) no (good or simple) way to modify ammunition regeneration rates.

As I recall, it basically boiled down to "ballistics work at 1/2 fire rate, with only a short initial burst of damage".  Where it needed to be was more nuanced than that; for example, a vulcan cannon or thumper on a ship with Expanded Magazines should probably never run out of ammo, while high-performance weapons (like the aforementioned Mjolnir or Gauss Cannon) should still be limited even with the hull mod in place.

[DatonKallandor]

Thanks Alex, that should help a lot.

Wyvern there are a couple of outliers but they're not that hard to fix (flak and dual flak are completely bonkers with the old numbers and most "double the barrel" weapons needed some adjustment). Extended Magazines becomes a very interesting and useful hullmod too - on one end it gives you longer PD effectiveness - especially since I'm also using regenerating missiles - by giving you a bigger ammo buffer to build up between missile salvoes and on the other side it gives you better bursts with high-efficiency high tech guns like needlers. And obviously, it's a fantastic mod for ammo feeder ships, but not mandatory for them because for every role there are high-capacity ballistics with lower burst performance.