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Midnight Kitsune

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Re: The Mora
« Reply #30 on: April 22, 2017, 09:40:14 PM »

Have fought one - was tedious more than anything else.

If you focus fire on the fighters with appropriate weapons * cough beams cough * you can neuter carriers in a shockingly short amount of time - the regen rate goes down fast. However, the Mora just refuses to die. Multiple salvos of high explosives from my own bombers barely even dent the stupid thing.

This was just fighting 1 - I imagine multiple being even more annoying.
Yeah, that is the issue: They are tedious and boring to fight due to the OP Dampener Field
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Re: The Mora
« Reply #31 on: April 22, 2017, 09:55:40 PM »

Have fought one - was tedious more than anything else.

If you focus fire on the fighters with appropriate weapons * cough beams cough * you can neuter carriers in a shockingly short amount of time - the regen rate goes down fast. However, the Mora just refuses to die. Multiple salvos of high explosives from my own bombers barely even dent the stupid thing.

This was just fighting 1 - I imagine multiple being even more annoying.
Yeah, that is the issue: They are tedious and boring to fight due to the OP Dampener Field
I can attest to that.  In the short time before I got a surprise Luddic Onslaught from behind, I chased down a Luddic patrol fleet with a Mora in it.  I gave an avoid order to the thing so I could kill off the small fry in peace (though by god those fighters were everywhere), and then I started on the Mora.  And with my entire fleet's combined firepower focused on a single target with nothing else bothering it (comprised of an Eagle as my flagship, an overdriven Hammerhead and Enforcer, another pair of regular Enforcers, a pair of Drovers with strike craft, three Lashers and a Vigilance), it took me a solid five minutes to just wear the thing down.  Piranhas and Daggers were pounding the thing over and over and it would just not die.

Damn Damper Field. :P
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Re: The Mora
« Reply #32 on: April 22, 2017, 09:58:37 PM »

Did your enemy Mora have an officer in it? Because I've noticed that when the defensive skills get stacked things can get... excessive. I was fighting a pirate Dominator with a high level captain and I managed to get my Drover behind it. I pumped a solid 100 annihilator rockets and 3 waves of 5 Piranha bombers into its butt and I had just barely managed to break the armor. Rather insane.
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Re: The Mora
« Reply #33 on: April 22, 2017, 09:59:22 PM »

Did your enemy Mora have an officer in it? Because I've noticed that when the defensive skills get stacked things can get... excessive. I was fighting a pirate Dominator with a high level captain and I managed to get my Drover behind it. I pumped a solid 100 annihilator rockets and 3 waves of 5 Piranha bombers into its butt and I had just barely managed to break the armor. Rather insane.
Yup, it was the flagship, and I remember the officer being there.  Don't remember the level of the officer, though.
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Re: The Mora
« Reply #34 on: April 22, 2017, 10:08:55 PM »

I just fought one. It was part of a massive pirate scavenger fleet but even when it was surrounded by other escorts I managed to take it out well before most of the other ships. I just had my own carrier "Eliminate" it and myself in a Sunder focused it down.

It surely survived longer than other ships would have but I was by no means pulling my hair out like some of you seem to have been!
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Re: The Mora
« Reply #35 on: April 22, 2017, 11:54:31 PM »

Damper Field needs a bit of a tweak. Give it a cooldown instead of charges to avoid spam.

I just fought one.

Now have two or three of them, armed with torpedo launchers. It takes ages to fight them due to catious AI and it's borderline impossible to trade blows due to their ship system.

Naturally fleet composition also comes into play. You really need large weapons to make a dent.
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Re: The Mora
« Reply #36 on: April 23, 2017, 01:43:16 AM »

Speaking of new carriers.

Has anybody seen his drovers use their system?

So far I didn't. Maybe thats because of the cautious officer ...
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Re: The Mora
« Reply #37 on: April 23, 2017, 06:47:33 AM »

Yes, Drovers use their system. It adds about 50% more fighters to each of their wings.
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Re: The Mora
« Reply #38 on: April 23, 2017, 07:12:50 AM »

@ The_Soldier: I have a life beyond games.  My progress is slow because I have not spent as much time as I wanted playing Starsector.
I agree with Meso: Dampener field needs to be kicked in the a**. I don't think people realize why it is so OP: It reduces damage BEFORE armor takes the hit.
My "life" statement was meant to explain that I have not advanced far enough into the game to take on major factions or even large pirate armadas (and live), due to lack of free time available to play the game.  (I recently finished updating a mod for another game, and taking a break from it for now; if I wanted to spend time with other games, I would have even less time to play Starsector.)

I will play more and eventually get enough assets to take on major factions (or advanced bounties) profitably and see what the fuss is about the Mora for myself.

I stumbled on a Remnant battlestation and promptly got fried.  I expected that since much of my fleet are the starters from Galatus or whatever the tutorial system is called, nowhere near endgame-grade.  I recently upgraded to a Medusa and captured a few more useful ships.  Before I ended last night, I bought a Drover and some more weapon/hullmod upgrades.
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Re: The Mora
« Reply #39 on: April 23, 2017, 07:40:27 AM »

Mora falls to largely same tactics as Brawler:
- Flux it up
- Each time it uses Damper Field I vent or at least do not attack with flux-expensive weapons.
- Once all charges are used up, burst it.

Now, enemy fighters do complicate it somewhat, but as long as your fighter presence is roughly equal, fighters will be mostly busy destroying each-other.
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Re: The Mora
« Reply #40 on: April 23, 2017, 08:43:38 AM »

Yeah, i dont see what the big deal is

I was waiting to get a heron, because of its speed but they seem almost as impossible to get as an aurora or apogee. So because of the hype in this thread I bought a mora .........

It died before either of the medusas (who were closer to the fighting) before the hammerhead, before the tempest, before the enforcer did

I AM NOT IMPRESSED

I will stick to herons thanks, they can run away.
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Re: The Mora
« Reply #41 on: April 23, 2017, 08:45:40 AM »

If Damper Field is such a problem on the Mora then I suggest replacing it with Reserve Deployment. Would make a nice semi-dichotomy against the Heron: quantity vs quality. From the looks of things "Combat Carrier" is no longer a thing since all Carriers are reasonably combat-capable now, so no reason the Mora has to be worse at Carrier-ing than the Heron.

I may or may not have a hidden agenda of wanting to see "generic" systems like RD be more widely used, and "special" systems like Damper Field remain unique (return AAF to base Brawler plz ;D ).
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Re: The Mora
« Reply #42 on: April 23, 2017, 08:46:47 AM »

Yeah, I wouldn't mind if Damper Field was relegated to the scrap heap of history. I miss the old Brawler as well.
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Re: The Mora
« Reply #43 on: April 23, 2017, 08:50:11 AM »

Yeah, I wouldn't mind if Damper Field was relegated to the scrap heap of history. I miss the old Brawler as well.

I honestly don't see why we need three midline frigate bullet-sponges. Monitor, cool. Centurion, okay that's nice. But Brawler had a niche as a space-turret, why did it have to become Centurion 2.0?

While we're at it, I think Shepherd could benefit from RD too. Too many ships use jets, bah. Its base speed can be upped a bit to compensate: or not, it's doing a little bit too much at the moment.
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Re: The Mora
« Reply #44 on: April 23, 2017, 08:56:35 AM »

I like that Brawler has Damper Field to make up for no PD and no Omni or 360 shield whatsoever.  I have not used Brawler much because lack of defenses pre-Damper field made it among the first to die quickly.  However, I would not mind seeing a shockwave system to blow away missiles and fighters and replace Damper Field.  That or give it an Omni or 360 shield.

Centurion is just Monitor Mk. II, not as good as the original, but more common.  When I read new midline frigate, I was hoping for a brawler like mini-Hammerhead or mini-Eagle, not a shuttle posing as a warship.
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