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[TaLaR]

I like Mora as is. I can handle enemy ones and love how survivable allied ones are. Just deploy and enjoy fighter support without having to worry about defending them most of the time.

[Embolism]

I think having the Brawler require PD support from other midlines (Monitor and Centurion, basically) is fine. I like the way midline frigates (used to) operate on a combined arms principle: Brawlers for direct firepower, Vigiliances for fire support, and Monitors/Centurions for defense.

Obviously YMMV based on AI performance but it's something different from the "every ship for itself" mentality that otherwise permeates the Sector.

[CaptainWinky]

I was on the fence about Brawlers getting Damper Field in the previous version but have gotten used to it.  Pather Brawlers still have ammo feeder so if you like the old Safety Overrides Brawler builds, you can sneak into one of their markets and pick one up.  Enemy Brawlers can be annoying but at the end of the day they are only frigates and they will eventually fall if you throw two or three other frigates at them.

A Mora with Damper Field is a little ridiculous though.  I fought a big salvage fleet yesterday that had two Moras mixed in with a lot of other ships.  We took out almost everything, my Dominator(D) finally got taken down by a torpedo to the tailpipe, then I watched for a minute as the rest of my ships threw themselves at the Moras and barely scratched their paintjobs before I reloaded.

Maybe the Mora could use a slightly different defensive system?  Some kind of shipwide lockdown where it takes less damage to armor but has to seal its fighter bays to do so.  Give it enough of a cooldown that the enemy can't just spam it every single time the shields get close to overloading.

[Ronald Klein]

 You know the Mora is ridiculously OP when it almost destroys a fleet composed of a Medusa,Enforcer,Wolf,Lasher all with high lvl officers with a fully kitted out combat and tech Hyperion.And it had nothing but Talons.

[Philder]

Perhaps the more moderate approach of giving Damper Fields different classes would be more appropriate. For example ships with more armor are given a lower class of Damper Field due to reasons of, just say, armor interfering with the Damper Field system. Because yeah, Damper Field is like overpowered armor on top of armor. If you chucked a Reaper at it, it would act like the ship had 16000 armor.

And/Or, maybe turn Damper Field into a fixed armor bonus, so that at least you've got 15% of the damage going through. Gaining the durability of a capitol ship definitely wouldn't be an underpowered ability.

Until then it might be handy to keep a Sunder with a Tachyon Beam in the fleet.

[FooF]

My flagship is a Dominator armed with Mark IXs and 3x Annihilator Rocket Pods with all the front small mounts with LAGs. I know I don't have tremendous armor busting potential but I ran out of missiles before the Mora went down.

Yet, I think the Mora is in a good spot. It weathers storms and is an anvil in a game full of hammers. I've used one in my fleet but the durability aspect doesn't come into play except when I shouldn't have engaged in the first place. As an opponent, it's a PITA but there needs to be a few in the game. I've fought as many as 3 at once and yes, that many Talons is also a nuisance.

If there was going to be a nerf, it's the cooldown of the dampener field. What's the uptime/recharge? 3 sec/10 sec? Up time of 30% or so is pretty high. Drop it to 20% (15 sec cooldown) and I think that gives plenty of opportunity to get your licks in.

[Dri]

You guys either got unlucky and faced a few officer'ed Moras with lots of defensive skills or you all just smoking that good stuff.

I've taken out several of them now and they go down just fine under concentrated firepower—bring more HE!

[MesoTroniK]

Here is how you fix the Mora and other ships equipped with the Damper Field:

- Double the cooldown timer.
- Cut the charge regeneration rate in half.
- No flux dissipation at all while active.
- Lower damage resist factor to 50%.

Bam fixed, Alex please consider these things.

[Thaago]

 You know the Mora is ridiculously OP when it almost destroys a fleet composed of a Medusa,Enforcer,Wolf,Lasher all with high lvl officers with a fully kitted out combat and tech Hyperion.And it had nothing but Talons.

This... actually seems reasonable to me. With nothing but Talons it is a combat cruiser specializing heavily in destroying smaller ships, facing off against a fleet of smaller ships.

I think we need to reclassify Talons in our own minds: They aren't trash anymore. They are specialists at taking down frigates while still being good enough against destroyers that aren't mounting anti-fighter weaponry.

[Midnight Kitsune]

Here is how you fix the Mora and other ships equipped with the Damper Field:

- Double the cooldown timer.
- Cut the charge regeneration rate in half.
- No flux dissipation at all while active.
- Lower damage resist factor to 50%.

Bam fixed, Alex please consider these things.

To play devils advocate: This would make it an even worse version of another "boring to use, boring to face" system: Fort Shield. I say allow dissipation but do the rest. That way it can't be a get out of jail free card for long fights but can save your ass in a pinch. Otherwise the system would become useless as the ships that have it would not be able to do much in three seconds, including the Mora

[Toxcity]

I'd argue that the problem is more the Mora than Damper Field in general. Some shipsystems just aren't meant to be used on a certain shipclasses. It's very similar to phase skimmer in how annoying it can be to fight, and how it should be applied.

As for Mora, maybe it should just have ammofeed? I like the idea of balancing damper and fighters to cover weaknesses in PD, but it just seems too abusable.

[Megas]

I finally got my first battle with an enemy Mora piloted by a level 6 officer escorted by medium or slightly large fleet of destroyers and frigates.  I attacked it with my ragtag band of destroyers (including carriers of my own) and frigates and... it is not that bad.  Yes, the Mora is sturdy, and it takes some firepower to kill, but it is no Paragon abusing its Fortress Shield.  The worst the Mora did to me was very close calls with well-aimed Reapers at my Medusa flagship that I barely dodged.  The last enemy ship standing was not the Mora, but one of its Hammerhead (D) flunkies.

One enemy Mora is not overpowered.

P.S. I consider phase ships in 0.72, especially Afflictor, more annoying than the Mora.

[Dri]

Haha, we all got so used to things dying so fast in the previous patch! Things have slowed down now and the Mora stands out because it's a really tough new addition.

[xenoargh]

I haven't found Moras to be all that troublesome.

1.  They're very easily Flux-pressured to the point they just run their System and spin a lot.

2.  They're very vulnerable to strikes by bombers (which are hella good now that they're able to mass and their AI is better- a flight of them from a Drover is pretty deadly to anything short of an Onslaught, fyi).

3.  Kill their fighters with hard counters.  If you're flying High Tech, you need a Beam Wolf Pack or equivalent in fighters or you're going to have trouble; Low Tech still has Flak (although given the huge nerfs to Captains, it's no longer quite as good) but should actually make use of the Talons and Mining Drones, because one is almost-not-bad now and the other can be spammed without losing Crew.

4.  When a Mora has turned on its System, EMP, EMP, EMP.

[Soychi]

I think the Mora is in a good place, although I agree the overall uptime on it's ship system is too long. Could use a longer pause in between uses, regardless of the charges.