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Starsector => General Discussion => Topic started by: Borgoid on September 17, 2013, 06:01:11 PM

Title: Buffalo MkII's revenge: A competition for the foolish!
Post by: Borgoid on September 17, 2013, 06:01:11 PM
We all know how Buffalo's are treated in Corvus, they're glorified piƱatas waiting to be cracked open for their delicious supplies... But today that changes! ( maybe! )

It's always bothered me that Buffalo MkII's were so mishandled by the AI so I've decided to see just how far you can push them.
The rules are simple:
1) Provide screenshot of the defeated ship and your buffalo still in (roughly) one piece.
1.5) Provide screenshot of refit screen so everyone can bask in your genius
2) Use the "Random Battle" mission to obtain a Buffalo MKII so as to avoid having any skill points
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3) Have fun!
Edit: Forgot to mention the Full Damage setting :D

I'll start off with a Mule and a Hammerhead:
Mule Victory
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Loadout
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(http://i.imgur.com/HwszWAF.jpg)
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Hammerhead Victory
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(http://i.imgur.com/YN6Zy26.png)
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Loadout
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(http://i.imgur.com/ZHfaluR.jpg)
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Think you can do better? :D
Title: Re: Buffalo MkII's revenge: A competition for the foolish!
Post by: cell on September 17, 2013, 06:50:53 PM
half or full damage taken?
Title: Re: Buffalo MkII's revenge: A competition for the foolish!
Post by: Borgoid on September 17, 2013, 06:55:56 PM
Full damage! :D
Title: Re: Buffalo MkII's revenge: A competition for the foolish!
Post by: ArkAngel on September 17, 2013, 08:48:59 PM
Love this idea! Now to try to figure out how to kill a onslaught with the darned thing. I will be back in a few days with my findings!
Title: Re: Buffalo MkII's revenge: A competition for the foolish!
Post by: Psygnosis on September 18, 2013, 02:44:42 AM
after having run a few down for their wonderful fleet slowing 4.0 Burn speed.

Decided to check the codex description for this thing, Its pretty awesome sounding and really lends itself to this thread.
Title: Re: Buffalo MkII's revenge: A competition for the foolish!
Post by: TJJ on September 18, 2013, 04:07:02 AM
AI piloting, or human?

The latter seems somewhat of a cheat, given the major problem with the effectiveness of the Buffalo 2 is the way the AI uses its stock loadout.
Title: Re: Buffalo MkII's revenge: A competition for the foolish!
Post by: Psygnosis on September 18, 2013, 04:11:03 AM
Human piloting. its supposed to test your creativity with loadouts, and more specifically tactics in taking down ships considerably larger than you.

Also; you could throw shields on it, and play the stamina game, run your enemies out of ammo.
Unless its a tier 3 ship, in which case, good luck
Title: Re: Buffalo MkII's revenge: A competition for the foolish!
Post by: Borgoid on September 18, 2013, 04:20:55 AM
AI piloting, or human?

The latter seems somewhat of a cheat, given the major problem with the effectiveness of the Buffalo 2 is the way the AI uses its stock loadout.

Trust me when I say that it's a terrible loadout. It's literally impossible to kill a Mule with the stock Buffalo MkII with a human pilot, though I'd like to see you succeed.
Title: Re: Buffalo MkII's revenge: A competition for the foolish!
Post by: Psygnosis on September 18, 2013, 04:32:49 AM
Trust me when I say that it's a terrible loadout. It's literally impossible to kill a Mule with the stock Buffalo MkII with a human pilot, though I'd like to see you succeed.

hmm.. Mule has around 9K EHP past shields which are 1/1 flux/damage. along with 60 flux a second upkeep. Totaly flyx cap is 4200, disipation is 250.

The pilum LRM's can put out a total of 15,000 damage. (every missile from every barrage and all ammo)

using the Antimatter blaster and possibly the vulcans(with the vulcan buff) if you can avoid the Mules only real weapon (pulse laser) and play the missile dodge game to pass the Sallys...

maybe. you might be able to do it, would require a good ammount of luck and good timing with the Mule overloading and venting at the right moments you can put Pilums's in his side.

it'd be a very long fight. but its plausible.
Title: Re: Buffalo MkII's revenge: A competition for the foolish!
Post by: Borgoid on September 18, 2013, 04:39:01 AM
You only more 40 faster than the Mule, it's not enough to close the distance even when he decides to Vent and he'll NEVER overload from a single Pilum. There's also no avoiding the pulse laser. In practice it hits 60-70% of its shots and disables your frontal weapons.
Feel free to prove me wrong however :)
Title: Re: Buffalo MkII's revenge: A competition for the foolish!
Post by: Gothars on September 18, 2013, 06:58:09 AM
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I'm done here.
Title: Re: Buffalo MkII's revenge: A competition for the foolish!
Post by: Silver Silence on September 18, 2013, 07:01:03 AM
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I'm done here.
I wanna get it done without the use of torpedoes. Also Paragon/Conquest.
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Title: Re: Buffalo MkII's revenge: A competition for the foolish!
Post by: Thaago on September 18, 2013, 07:50:26 AM
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I'm done here.

Aggaaa, blaszxasd, ashdoaush?!!

How the heck did you do that?!
Title: Re: Buffalo MkII's revenge: A competition for the foolish!
Post by: Uomoz on September 18, 2013, 07:59:34 AM
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I'm done here.

Aggaaa, blaszxasd, ashdoaush?!!

How the heck did you do that?!
VIDEO!!!
Title: Re: Buffalo MkII's revenge: A competition for the foolish!
Post by: Gothars on September 18, 2013, 09:10:26 AM
A magician never reveals his secrets.

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But I'm no magician, so here goes ;)

The main problem is getting around without taking too much damage. To do that, it's best to let the Onslaught burn-drive into a nebula, while you come towards him. That takes some practice (<- this is an understatement). Once you are in his back, you have to kill him quickly, you can survive there maybe a minute thanks to heavy armor. Also he will try to burn drive away, which you should not allow (I did though). So fire the two Reapers and then three Atropos from point-blank range, which obliterates the armor and brings the bad boy down to about 1/3 hull. Then the Vulcan, which does 500DPS now, melts away his HP. The Ion Cannon keeps his engines down (more or less) and helps suppressing weapons. When he's down to a few hundred HP, you have to get out of there and only keep your Railgun in range, which will hopefully finish the beast off while you're outside his explosion radius. Killing without surviving is comparably easy, just bring more torpedoes.
During this whole process it is important to turn around a lot so the incoming damage is distributed equally over your armor and so your weapons don't get disabled.

I'd make a video, but It takes a lot of repetition and I bored of that by now. Also I'd first have to get the software.
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Title: Re: Buffalo MkII's revenge: A competition for the foolish!
Post by: xenoargh on September 18, 2013, 10:21:55 AM
Impressive!  I didn't think it would be quite possible to flank the Onslaught enough to win, 1-on-1, but the Nebula trick is sweet, nice protip :)
Title: Re: Buffalo MkII's revenge: A competition for the foolish!
Post by: ArkAngel on September 18, 2013, 02:25:43 PM
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I'm done here.
Dang it! You beat me to it!
Title: Re: Buffalo MkII's revenge: A competition for the foolish!
Post by: Borgoid on September 18, 2013, 04:44:46 PM
I'm really struggling with the Conquest... The bastard keeps firing torpedoes at me while he's overloaded!
I'll get it though... Mark my words * Fist shake*
Title: Re: Buffalo MkII's revenge: A competition for the foolish!
Post by: Hotshot3434 on September 18, 2013, 05:28:15 PM
I WAS going to post my victory over a Dominator, but that just seems trivial. Anyway, I am currently in the process of trying to best a Doom class ship. I am quickly discovering that this task my be impossible thanks to the two heavy blasters that are almost always in range thanks to their hefty arc. Wish me luck!

*UPDATE*   After 20-30 attempts the best i have gotten is to hit the Doom with 1 annihilator rocket. MAKING PROGRESS!!!!
*UPDATE #2* After a further 30-40 tries i have been able to get the Doom to 1/2 hull until I ran out of missiles. I have decided to admit defeat. I will leave my strategy below so that others may learn from my mistakes.

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My most successful strategy was to attach an annihilator rocket pod to the large forward missile mount and rain rockets at the Doom. The AI would cloak the ship any time it felt threatened by the rockets, thus generating flux. Once it overloaded i would spam either torpedoes or harpoon missiles until (hopefully) the Doom was destroyed. Unfortunately due to the high flux dissipation rate of the Doom the overload only lasts a few seconds. When it comes off of overload your best chance of surviving is for the two heavy cannons to not be online. To attempt to counter this i installed two ion cannons to the front mounts. I have yet to survive past a single overload due to either running out of missiles or getting caught out by the superior speed and maneuverability of the Doom. I hope my trials will help you to defeat this monster. Good Luck!
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Title: Re: Buffalo MkII's revenge: A competition for the foolish!
Post by: Unfolder on October 10, 2013, 07:00:23 PM
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I'm done here.

...i am staggered. Question - does this mean ion cannons are super OP? I haven't used any yet, should I fit out my entire fit with ion cannons?

Edit: oh *** sorry for necroing. A new topic linked this one and I was so awestruck i didnt check the timestamp. But yeah, ion cannons ftw?
Title: Re: Buffalo MkII's revenge: A competition for the foolish!
Post by: Thaago on October 10, 2013, 08:55:21 PM
Eh... its more that Gothars is OP. As long as his mind isn't distilled into the AI the game should be fine ;)