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Title: Doomsday(s)
Post by: Upgradecap on September 19, 2012, 04:48:33 AM
Haha, i have to bring this topic up :)

So, i recently watched i discovery show called "Doomsday Preppers" and there are quite the lunatics there. I mean, sure thing, one can prepare for a doomsday, but really?So, i thought to ask you guys here what you think of it. Will it really ever happen, or will we come up with some safety features to prevent this happening (like, say, fleeing to another planet/spaceship(be realistic here!)/station) and what are your thoughts on that situation? :D
Title: Re: Doomsday(s)
Post by: Sproginator on September 19, 2012, 05:14:33 AM
Haha, i have to bring this topic up :)

So, i recently watched i discovery show called "Doomsday Preppers" and there are quite the lunatics there. I mean, sure thing, one can prepare for a doomsday, but really?So, i thought to ask you guys here what you think of it. Will it really ever happen, or will we come up with some safety features to prevent this happening (like, say, fleeing to another planet/spaceship(be realistic here!)/station) and what are your thoughts on that situation? :D
If the world should happen to end on some pathetic, pre determined, bullcrap date( such as the Mayan calendar) I'll eat my own foot, people who are thick enough to believe this rubbish deserve to have the world end only for them
Title: Re: Doomsday(s)
Post by: K-64 on September 19, 2012, 06:33:12 AM
The current most likely cause of the destruction of the planet is when the sun decides to go "That's all, folks!" and kicks the bucket. But by that time, we'll very likely be wandering the stars or all dead from human stupidity
Title: Re: Doomsday(s)
Post by: Faiter119 on September 19, 2012, 06:55:49 AM
Well there isnt alot of stuff that could make the sun go byby. Having an extremely large object shot into it would be a probable way of destruction, with a decently sized iron ball being the most effective, as the iron disrupts the fusion and destroys the sun within some time.
Title: Re: Doomsday(s)
Post by: K-64 on September 19, 2012, 06:57:38 AM
I was talking about the sun naturally dying, which won't happen for a couple of billion years or so
Title: Re: Doomsday(s)
Post by: Faiter119 on September 19, 2012, 07:01:50 AM
Yeah exactly, but by that time we are gonna be dead anyways, as the sun will expand and kill of the earth. I think a asteroid would be the most likely way of the earth to get wrecked, as you only need about a 5km asteroid to wipe out all life on earth.
Title: Re: Doomsday(s)
Post by: Sproginator on September 19, 2012, 07:06:58 AM
.....or all dead from human stupidity

Sounds about right
Title: Re: Doomsday(s)
Post by: BillyRueben on September 19, 2012, 07:45:46 AM
Why prepare at all? If there were to be an Armageddon scenario, the chances of surviving it, prepare or not, is minimal. Even if you did prepare and happen to survive, you wouldn't survive for very long.

"The world is going to end and everyone is going to die, but I will survive because I [Insert dumbass reason here]." Derp.

It's like the whole "survive the zombie infestation" thing. A disease that infectious would have everyone dead in a few years, no matter how many zombies you can kill with a chainsaw.
Title: Re: Doomsday(s)
Post by: GUNINANRUNIN on September 19, 2012, 11:23:24 AM
Yeah exactly, but by that time we are gonna be dead anyways, as the sun will expand and kill of the earth. I think a asteroid would be the most likely way of the earth to get wrecked, as you only need about a 5km asteroid to wipe out all life on earth.
Good thing the odds of an asteroid striking the Earth are....
Astronomical  8)....
Title: Re: Doomsday(s)
Post by: SwipertheFox on September 19, 2012, 11:36:59 AM
Yeah exactly, but by that time we are gonna be dead anyways, as the sun will expand and kill of the earth. I think a asteroid would be the most likely way of the earth to get wrecked, as you only need about a 5km asteroid to wipe out all life on earth.
Good thing the odds of an asteroid striking the Earth are....
Astronomical  8)....

Add Rim Shot Here.... 
LOL  :D
Title: Re: Doomsday(s)
Post by: legion on September 19, 2012, 11:58:51 AM
Yeah exactly, but by that time we are gonna be dead anyways, as the sun will expand and kill of the earth. I think a asteroid would be the most likely way of the earth to get wrecked, as you only need about a 5km asteroid to wipe out all life on earth.
Good thing the odds of an asteroid striking the Earth are....
Astronomical  8)....

Depends on the size of the asteroid. There are numerous small (below 5m in size) asteroids that can strike Earth at any given time, but go unnoticed. It is the big ones that are dangerous, but those we can see coming if we are looking. Then you have the really, really big ones that can smash Earth to rubble. That chance is low, but given the amount of asteroids, still bigger than winning the grand prize in a national lottery.
Title: Re: Doomsday(s)
Post by: GUNINANRUNIN on September 19, 2012, 01:19:04 PM
That chance is low, but given the amount of asteroids, still bigger than winning the grand prize in a national lottery.
I think I'll quote NASA on this one.
Spoiler
The first thing to remember is that space is big and empty. Which makes the chance that we will be hit by anything from space very small. In much of space, for example, large-sized objects are hundreds or thousands of light years apart. Even the asteroid belt has so much space in it, that we can send space probes through it without any problems. The asteroids in the belt are spread over a ring that is more than a billion kilometers in circumference, more than 100 million kilometers wide, and millions of kilometers thick.

The most dangerous asteroids, capable of a global disaster, are extremely rare. The threshold size is believed to be 1/2 to 1 km. These bodies impact the Earth only once every 1,000 centuries on average. Comets in this size range are thought to impact even less frequently, perhaps once every 5,000 centuries or so.

The threshold for an impact that causes widespread global mortality and threatens civilization almost certainly lies between about 0.5 and 5 km diameter, perhaps near 2 km. Impacts of objects this large occur from one to several times per million years.

No large impact has taken place within the total span of human history... It is this juxtaposition of the small probability of occurrence balanced against the enormous consequences if it does happen that makes the impact hazard such a difficult and controversial topic.

The odds of it occurring within our lifetimes is low. There are many organizations with telescopes trained to the sky, watching and tracking asteroids and comets, compiling a list of potentially hazardous objects to keep an eye on. Many of these objects are decades away from approaching the Earth which gives us a lot of time to track them in order to accurately predict their orbits.

Actually, some 100 bodies have already been discovered on orbits which take them so close to the Earth's orbit, that they could hit in the far distant future. This is because the orbits of these bodies change slowly with time. Although their orbits do not intersect Earth's orbit at present, they could hit in a few thousand years or more.

The scenario you have in mind is most likely to unfold as follows. In the course of our search for Earth-crossing asteroids, we could find one that will hit not in the next year, or even in the next ten years, but might hit in the next hundred years. We believe that the chance that we will find such an object is only 1 in 1,000, even after a complete search.

There is a much smaller chance that we would find one that could impact in the next 10 years. The chance of that happening is 1 in 10,000.
[close]

You have a better chance of winning the lottery buddy.
Title: Re: Doomsday(s)
Post by: Elate on September 19, 2012, 02:07:49 PM
It isn't going to happen, and if it does, I won't care. Because I'll be dead, and frankly in that situation, unless it was said space ship survival, I would want to be dead. Who would want to really survive in a Fallout-esque world? You'd likely just die of some nasty disease anyway.
Title: Re: Doomsday(s)
Post by: hadesian on September 19, 2012, 02:08:24 PM
1 in 10,000 doesn't sound good.

Jokes aside, there was a translating error on the mayan calendar. It's not doomsday, it's a new beginning.

And hey, by the time an asteroid comes at us, we'll have a
(http://media.gizmodo.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/17w5gagw2us46jpg.jpg)

Which will obliterate it instantly.
Title: Re: Doomsday(s)
Post by: Elate on September 19, 2012, 02:17:11 PM
1 in 10,000 doesn't sound good.

Jokes aside, there was a translating error on the mayan calendar. It's not doomsday, it's a new beginning.

I heard that it was simply them basically converting to a different system, someone used the example from imperial to metric and such, and we basically blew it massively out of proportion, as the public tends to do.
Title: Re: Doomsday(s)
Post by: hadesian on September 19, 2012, 02:18:18 PM
1 in 10,000 doesn't sound good.

Jokes aside, there was a translating error on the mayan calendar. It's not doomsday, it's a new beginning.

I heard that it was simply them basically converting to a different system, someone used the example from imperial to metric and such, and we basically blew it massively out of proportion, as the public tends to do.
And! And!
Mayans didn't count leap years, so technically 2012 has already happened.
Title: Re: Doomsday(s)
Post by: sirboomalot on September 19, 2012, 02:27:10 PM
Actually, the leap year thing as a reason against 2012 isn't really true. The Mayans used a different time-scale than we do, and didn't actually need to add leap-years in order to keep proper track of time (the whole reason why we need leap years is because while our time system has each day as 24 hours exactly, in reality each day is 24.00something hours long. (or 23.99something hours long, I don't remember) leap years were basically added in to make sure our time didn't slowly drift as the time passed). There was a youtube video made that explained all this, but I doubt I will bother to find it.
Title: Re: Doomsday(s)
Post by: Faiter119 on September 19, 2012, 03:49:23 PM
Im sure this video will be useful.

CGPGrey is awesome. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpYtLcRKuPk&feature=relmfu)

Mayan Calendar (http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_351705&feature=iv&src_vid=wpYtLcRKuPk&v=kcc_KAhwpa0)

Leap Years (http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_51064&feature=iv&src_vid=wpYtLcRKuPk&v=xX96xng7sAE)
Title: Re: Doomsday(s)
Post by: sirboomalot on September 19, 2012, 06:36:10 PM
Faiter found tha video I was talk'n bout! It is the very first one that he listed.
Title: Re: Doomsday(s)
Post by: naufrago on September 19, 2012, 10:06:56 PM
Haven't watched the videos (no time atm) so I don't know if they address this, but the mayans' belief in a cycle of death and rebirth is not in any way linked to the calendar archaeologists found. Dec. 21, 2012, just happens to be when that calendar runs out of dates. To put this in familiar terms, we don't freak out that the world is ending every New Year's Eve, we just get a new calendar.

To further debunk the myth of the 'mayan apocalypse' happening soon, archaeologists have uncovered at least one other mayan calendar with dates past Dec. 21, 2012. Also, modern day mayans (they still exist, it's just the civilization that collapsed) don't think the world will end on Dec. 21 either. People be crazy.

Unrelated, I'm part mayan, which is why I've actually put a little time into looking these things up (slightly interested in my heritage). I don't think the world's going to end, so neither should you =)
Title: Re: Doomsday(s)
Post by: Rowanas on September 20, 2012, 02:15:35 AM
Naufrago, I'm glad someone put up that argument before I did. You pretty much used exactly the words I would've (and have, elsewhere). Plus, half of my family is descended from the Mayans (being from Belize and all). So, snap! My mum's way more into all that heritage stuff than I am, but I guess some of it rubs off.
Title: Re: Doomsday(s)
Post by: arcibalde on September 20, 2012, 05:15:15 AM
(first of all sorry for bad English but I do hope you understand me)Well, in Earth history everything happens in cycles. We have meteor hits that eradicate almost entire life, then super volcanoes (with ice age aftermath) super tsunamis, Earth's magnetic poles change sides (this one will fry our electronics  ;D  ) etc.

For example Yellowstone is crater of super volcano. It's wide like 80km x 40km (if i remember correctly) so it's freaking big. It have enormous lava reservoir that always stay on same place and tectonic plates slowly move over him and when is time for eruption it made new hole in Earth crust. So scientist study it's cycles of eruption and guess what  ;D   It is time.

Then we have some island near west Africa coast. It could brake in half. It have large fissure along entire island and if it would crack and drop in water it would create super tsunami that would crush east coast of America. And this things come in cycles too...

And then there is Earth killers asteroids. We find out about 1000 of them and each is big enough to squash life on Earth. And they too drop on us (Earth) in cycles and now is time for one...

So, we got LOTS stuff that can kill us tomorrow or even today or 1000 years from now. We can't predict that.
Title: Re: Doomsday(s)
Post by: Upgradecap on September 20, 2012, 05:27:39 AM
You know, following everyones logic about doomsdays, you could die tomorrow in a plane crash, have a bus hit you, car, bike, trip, etc.


Doomsdays, to me, are just exaggerations. I mean, come on! When did we start to fear death? I mean, everyone will die at one point. There's no doubt about it.
Title: Re: Doomsday(s)
Post by: GUNINANRUNIN on September 26, 2012, 11:17:20 AM
Can't wait to see how people are going to react to this year's Doomsday (Mayan Calander Doomsday). How many times have we been through this now?
Title: Re: Doomsday(s)
Post by: Upgradecap on September 26, 2012, 11:21:01 AM
5? Or is this the 6th time?
Title: Re: Doomsday(s)
Post by: LordHerpDerpington on September 26, 2012, 11:25:44 AM
I won't go outside on the night of the 20th, because there are going to be loads of nutters hiding around the parks and stuff.

Inb4 "Haha northerners" comment.
Title: Re: Doomsday(s)
Post by: GUNINANRUNIN on September 26, 2012, 11:27:50 AM
5? Or is this the 6th time?
I remember last year when it happened. My dad told me "Hey son! Guess what? Some ja***ss said we're all gonna die tomorrow HAHAHA!!" I just laid in bed and watched Gladiator for the bajillionth time. It would've been a good way to die, but I was still super-depressed until five minutes after midnight. Then I was happy. :)
Title: Re: Doomsday(s)
Post by: K-64 on September 26, 2012, 11:41:16 AM
Inb4 "Haha northerners" comment.

Haha southerners :P
Title: Re: Doomsday(s)
Post by: Rowanas on September 26, 2012, 05:12:18 PM
I won't go outside on the night of the 20th, because there are going to be loads of nutters hiding around the parks and stuff.

Inb4 "Haha northerners" comment.

Was that for me? I don't hate all notherners! I just think your cities are ugly and grey, and your terrain is insufficiently beautiful to make up for the silly accents. I stock up on tins of things and book holidays off from work for apocali (real word now), just in case there's something to them, but given the lack of date-based apocalyption (also totally legit), I'm not holding out.