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Title: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: Toddoftheyear on May 26, 2017, 12:11:21 PM
It's a portrait pack mod. It adds portraits.
Quantity over quality.
Feel free to replace any images you don't like, or steal from here and make your own pack.

Download v1.1 (https://bitbucket.org/ToddoftheYear/degenerate-portrait-pack/downloads/Degenerate%20Portrait%20Pack%20v1.1.7z)
Images
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(http://i.imgur.com/3kD2jER.jpg)
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If you're updating from a previous version, many of the portraits have been changed.

Changelog
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v1.1
*Quality(?) control update. Improved Changed many of the portraits.

v1.0
*Initial Release for 0.8.0a Download Version 1.0 (Old) (https://bitbucket.org/ToddoftheYear/degenerate-portrait-pack/downloads/Degenerate%20Portrait%20Pack.7z)
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Other Portraits
Download Folder D (https://bitbucket.org/ToddoftheYear/degenerate-portrait-pack/downloads/Folder%20D.7z)
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(http://i.imgur.com/BlIIVWU.jpg)
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Download Folder E (https://bitbucket.org/ToddoftheYear/degenerate-portrait-pack/downloads/Folder%20E.7z)
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(http://i.imgur.com/5kp7yoQ.jpg)
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Download Folder F (https://bitbucket.org/ToddoftheYear/degenerate-portrait-pack/downloads/Folder%20F.7z)
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(http://i.imgur.com/87ygUj8.jpg)
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Download Folder G (https://bitbucket.org/ToddoftheYear/degenerate-portrait-pack/downloads/Folder%20G.7z)
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(http://i.imgur.com/hgnX7aq.jpg)
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Download Folder H (https://bitbucket.org/ToddoftheYear/degenerate-portrait-pack/downloads/Folder%20H.7z)
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(http://i.imgur.com/leAcrKJ.jpg)
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Disclaimer :
All images are copyright to their respective owners.
Title: Re: [0.8a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.0
Post by: adimetro00 on May 26, 2017, 03:39:09 PM
I don't know what i expected, but it couldn't be worse then space touhou.
Title: Re: [0.8a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.0
Post by: Takion Kasukedo on May 26, 2017, 04:11:51 PM
I see three portraits I like.

I also see Queens Blade (?) there.
Title: Re: [0.8a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.0
Post by: Toddoftheyear on May 26, 2017, 05:37:30 PM
I see three portraits I like.

I also see Queens Blade (?) there.

Personally I don't like 90% of them. But having played with the default portraits + 20 or so that I like, I ended up with three officers with the exact same portrait. I made this pack to fix that.

I'm not familiar with Queens Blade characters. I couldn't tell you the source on at least half of these characters.
Title: Re: [0.8a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.0
Post by: Azmond on May 26, 2017, 05:39:24 PM
 ;D s just funny... Do a Gundam port-pack next. That would go great.
Title: Re: [0.8a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.0
Post by: Toddoftheyear on May 26, 2017, 05:56:28 PM
;D s just funny... Do a Gundam port-pack next. That would go great.


I know next to nothing about Gundam. Is there a specific series or set of art you'd like to see?
Title: Re: [0.8a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.0
Post by: dk1332 on May 30, 2017, 03:04:23 AM
Taking a break from work, and opened the forum.

Sees this.

WELP, guess its time to be a degenerate once again.


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Them Kancolle portraits tho, need them in muh fleet
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Title: Re: [0.8a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.0
Post by: Ragni on May 31, 2017, 07:36:20 AM
10-15 are actually not that bad and would "fit";

I would actually use this mod if you could make a quality version of this and remove the weeb-ish variants.

Cherry picked:
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(http://i.imgur.com/fCTyaqV.jpg)
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Title: Re: [0.8a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.0
Post by: adimetro00 on May 31, 2017, 07:43:52 AM
Recommend him a game so he'll rip the portraits for our pleasure
Title: Re: [0.8a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.0
Post by: Toddoftheyear on May 31, 2017, 11:31:37 AM
10-15 are actually not that bad and would "fit";

I would actually use this mod if you could make a quality version of this and remove the weeb-ish variants.

Cherry picked:
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(http://i.imgur.com/fCTyaqV.jpg)
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Problem is, if I asked 100 different people for their cherry picked favorites, I'd get 100 different answers. Ideally people should take the images they like and make their own portrait pack.

Ultimately the Degenerate Portrait Pack serves for people too lazy to make their own portrait pack. You'd have to be some kind of degenerate to use it though.
Title: Re: [0.8a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.0
Post by: dk1332 on May 31, 2017, 02:32:57 PM
You'd have to be some kind of degenerate to use it though.

Hah!


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***....
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Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: Arkar1234 on June 12, 2017, 02:40:46 AM
Yo, just asking. If I were to... lets say, manually delete a few (ok alot) of these portraits, would i need to rename the files in numerical order? or is it all just fine and dandy to leave it as it is.
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: Maybe on June 12, 2017, 06:44:45 AM
If you want to manually remove the portraits, you'll have to go down into the data/world/factions sub-directory of the mod and remove all references in the .faction files to those portraits. Just deleting the actual pictures will cause a crash.

You probably want to find a way to do this to multiple files at once, open the files in an IDE like notepad++ or a word processor and shift+F to find where the portraits come up. Using the "Replace all" tab when you Shift+F in notepad++ will save you a lot of time. Make sure to Remove the entire line including the parenthesis and comma.
Title: Re: [0.8a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.0
Post by: Azmond on June 12, 2017, 10:07:05 AM
;D s just funny... Do a Gundam port-pack next. That would go great.


I know next to nothing about Gundam. Is there a specific series or set of art you'd like to see?

I know very little from memory but it's a very large space-opera so.. Likely going to find something just as pervvy for it. I really don't know, I was just throwing something out for you to consider. xD
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: Arkar1234 on June 12, 2017, 10:38:50 AM
If you want to manually remove the portraits, you'll have to go down into the data/world/factions sub-directory of the mod and remove all references in the .faction files to those portraits. Just deleting the actual pictures will cause a crash.

You probably want to find a way to do this to multiple files at once, open the files in an IDE like notepad++ or a word processor and shift+F to find where the portraits come up. Using the "Replace all" tab when you Shift+F in notepad++ will save you a lot of time. Make sure to Remove the entire line including the parenthesis and comma.

Aye, thanks for help. Cheers mate.
Title: Re: [0.8a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.0
Post by: Toddoftheyear on June 12, 2017, 02:41:57 PM

I know very little from memory but it's a very large space-opera so.. Likely going to find something just as pervvy for it. I really don't know, I was just throwing something out for you to consider. xD


I find it's better to pick by characters or artists, rather than a specific series. Kumiko Shiba is probably my favorite artist so far.

Speaking of which, I just added Folder G to the Other Portraits section. Debating which ones to include in the main portrait pack.

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(http://i.imgur.com/hgnX7aq.jpg)
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Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: Takion Kasukedo on June 12, 2017, 07:48:47 PM
AHA, another YoRha portrait

Do I see a few Overlord portraits? Momonga-san's servant?

AND Juri-Han?
Title: Re: [0.8a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.0
Post by: MinusUdn on June 13, 2017, 11:54:04 AM

Speaking of which, I just added Folder G to the Other Portraits section. Debating which ones to include in the main portrait pack.

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(http://i.imgur.com/hgnX7aq.jpg)
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all of them ofc
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: Toddoftheyear on June 25, 2017, 01:37:28 AM
Added Folder H
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(http://i.imgur.com/leAcrKJ.jpg)
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I should get around to updating the main pack. Or maybe I should just keeping making portraits?
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: ahrenjb on July 07, 2017, 09:37:46 PM
No Asuka, into the trash it goes.
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: OzarMidrashim on July 17, 2017, 02:19:06 PM
Oh my God... I love name of the mod... says it all - not to mention i DO recognize few faces from certain "situations"  :-*
Buahahaha.
A lot of work, suprisingly...
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: Delta7 on July 19, 2017, 09:53:26 PM
Would it be too much to hope that i can toss these extra packs in the graphics folder and they'll work fine? Or do i need to rename the new folder and replace the original while making sure that the total number of portraits is still equal to 200 and manually renaming and replacing them as needed?
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: Arkar1234 on July 19, 2017, 10:59:58 PM
Would it be too much to hope that i can toss these extra packs in the graphics folder and they'll work fine? Or do i need to rename the new folder and replace the original while making sure that the total number of portraits is still equal to 200 and manually renaming and replacing them as needed?

Check the previous few posts... It should shed some insight onto how you could add the new Packs hopefully.
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: OzarMidrashim on July 20, 2017, 02:56:31 AM
Would it be too much to hope that i can toss these extra packs in the graphics folder and they'll work fine? Or do i need to rename the new folder and replace the original while making sure that the total number of portraits is still equal to 200 and manually renaming and replacing them as needed?

Nope.
Extra packs within this mod will override those of main mod...those are for you to choose from, more like dirty edits. Many are thesame, some are diffirent variants, some are not finished.

With approval of main mod author i can provide link to my filtered edition of his mod. 146 higest quality "no deamon *** lewd cum" selection from all his packs. Cute, immersive, crazy or  with dignity.
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: Toddoftheyear on July 20, 2017, 06:15:24 AM
With approval of main mod author i can provide link to my filtered edition of his mod. 146 higest quality "no deamon *** lewd cum" selection from all his packs. Cute, immersive, crazy or  with dignity.

Go for it.
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: OzarMidrashim on July 20, 2017, 08:37:35 AM
With approval of main mod author i can provide link to my filtered edition of his mod. 146 higest quality "no deamon *** lewd cum" selection from all his packs. Cute, immersive, crazy or  with dignity.

Go for it.

Thanks.
You can pin this link to Your OP on first page, so people can get this from this Mod Post - i see no reason to create a new one, right?
http://www.mediafire.com/file/493uk2gji1lczc3/Degenerate_Portrait_Pack_FILTERED_v1.2.7z

Regards.
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: Toddoftheyear on July 20, 2017, 02:24:14 PM
Thanks.
You can pin this link to Your OP on first page, so people can get this from this Mod Post - i see no reason to create a new one, right?
http://www.mediafire.com/file/493uk2gji1lczc3/Degenerate_Portrait_Pack_FILTERED_v1.2.7z

Regards.

I am very sure these aren't male.

(http://i.imgur.com/cKYjRc2.jpg)
http://imgur.com/a/cJxOv (http://imgur.com/a/cJxOv)

C4_011 (F43) is male though, which you've listed as female.
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: OzarMidrashim on July 20, 2017, 03:45:48 PM
Thanks.
You can pin this link to Your OP on first page, so people can get this from this Mod Post - i see no reason to create a new one, right?
http://www.mediafire.com/file/493uk2gji1lczc3/Degenerate_Portrait_Pack_FILTERED_v1.2.7z

Regards.

I am very sure these aren't male...

Very much might be...considering source origin - but when i look at them...
...also considering there is almost no male in this pack, when it should have at lest few, taking into account overall unisex visuals of males in certain anime styles, and uglyness of those few as females, yet fitting as males - thats what i decided. If anyone want they always can make their own "interpretation" of selection =)

Thanks for clarification thou, and once more for material!
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: Arkiuz on January 07, 2018, 03:04:23 PM
> Install H Portrait pack
> Start game
> Get bounty
> Description says offender is sexual deviant, arsonist, and abductor.
> Picture H22

Amazing.
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: Xenoit1 on November 20, 2018, 07:39:28 AM
I just wanted to point out that I combined almost all the picture sets into one.
I like this one so I just tried to use the mod with the new release and well, it works for me.
As the player I can choose from them and the AI uses these too, just as before  ;D
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: Ambient on November 20, 2018, 08:32:43 AM
Folder H lacks Ahageo  ;)
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: FirstZer0 on December 04, 2018, 02:18:50 PM
For this mod to work with 0.9a make sure to remove all standard_male sections in all faction files else you WILL get OutOfBound exceptions and  thus crashes occasionally.
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: zeno0010 on December 05, 2018, 03:40:01 AM
For this mod to work with 0.9a make sure to remove all standard_male sections in all faction files else you WILL get OutOfBound exceptions and  thus crashes occasionally.

Thnx for the tip, Ill try it tomorrow

Update: can confirm, that fixed the worst of it
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: Torch on December 06, 2018, 07:07:19 AM
I still ended up getting crashes and NPCs with no portrait :(
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: Xenoit1 on December 07, 2018, 08:54:46 AM
Well, as I said, I modefied it and had also the males get the wonderfull pickture set here XD only the lil information below the NPC's tell me if they are male or not... like, name / gender. XD
Still, good to know that that empty section can cause errors...
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: Xenoit1 on January 29, 2019, 04:59:23 AM
Hmm, reminds me, I could upload my modified version, but I'm not sure if I'm allowed to do such a thing XD
Hmm, so if someone wanna take a look, just write me  (may take a while for me to anwser but I'll do)

Better idea would be to send me a message over discord ("Akira Nekory#0253"  is the adress) I'm on the offical discord server as well, so you can PM me straight away.
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: Toddoftheyear on January 29, 2019, 10:32:57 PM
Hmm, reminds me, I could upload my modified version, but I'm not sure if I'm allowed to do such a thing XD

I would allow it - I'll even put it in the OP.
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: Xenoit1 on February 15, 2019, 12:45:16 AM
Allright, then I'll put the link here, simple dropbox download, idk if that is good or not.
Oh and you could take it and link it yourself, may be better.

The link is in the spoiler, btw. it is the first time I made an public DL link so I hope it works without problems^^
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https://www.dropbox.com/s/4y19fryskpaytpe/Degenerate%20Portrait%20Pack.7z?dl=0
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And thanks again for creating this^^
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: MesoTroniK on February 16, 2019, 07:39:31 PM
It is the best practice to not modify nor add to other mods without asking for permission, and this mods adds portraits to my factions (and others) and I certainly was never asked first.

This is especially and *actually* worrisome here since this mod is full of style clashing and stolen art that then is being seen in *my* content. Please, do not add these to my work and I recommend you respect other mods besides mine in the same way. And if you really want to do the right thing? Remove this mod and erase it from the internet as thoroughly as you are able to do.
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: kerghnox on February 16, 2019, 08:28:23 PM
It is the best practice to not modify nor add to other mods without asking for permission, and this mods adds portraits to my factions (and others) and I certainly was never asked first.

This is especially and *actually* worrisome here since this mod is full of style clashing and stolen art that then is being seen in *my* content. Please, do not add these to my work and I recommend you respect other mods besides mine in the same way. And if you really want to do the right thing? Remove this mod and erase it from the internet as thoroughly as you are able to do.
Is there a reason you're singling out this mod? Nearly every portrait mod clashes with vanilla and consists of stolen art, but you never made these hostile comments in those threads. I don't see how your content is harmed by an optional portrait mod either. In the end, including all the faction files saves time none of us want to waste on this minor ***.

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Also, your content won't be in the game until 1.0 is out anyway.
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Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: FreedomFighter on February 16, 2019, 08:54:12 PM
Look like this one using Helmut's portrait pack as a template since both having the same faction file. Also, both portrait mod has been existed for like a year or two. Why all the sudden it jive your jam, Meso?
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: Gwyvern on February 17, 2019, 03:17:07 AM
I believe the issue at hand is that it injects these assets into MesoTroniK's mods, stolen or not, that wouldn't be his problem if the creator of this portrait pack did not apply the new portraits to said mods.

Regardless of a mods particular Creative Commons attribution, making changes to someone's work and then redistributing it without asking the original creators is known by us in the business as a "*** move"

And If i'm not mistaken, Meso's Creative Commons attributions don't even allow for this to begin with.

moreover, do not mistake being caught with a sudden change of heart, he might have simply not known that the Degenerate portrait pack was doing this until just now, I know I didn't.
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: FreedomFighter on February 17, 2019, 08:23:40 AM
I see. At least the portrait pack is quite harmless and you know what you'll get right off the bat since the portrait style is crashing with one another. Still, from both Meso, and Gwyvern standpoint, it should only add to vanilla faction with an optional file as an add-on for other mod faction would be better?
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: Gwyvern on February 17, 2019, 03:17:21 PM
The correct answer is to ask each mod author if they are okay with your content affecting their mods, and if they say no, don't do it -at all- Not even as an optional file.

Or if you are really that desperate for Tiandong Waifus, don't distribute it. It's nobodies business but your own if you are keeping it to yourself.
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: MesoTroniK on February 18, 2019, 12:17:01 AM
Hey, this became quite a burst of activity so please excuse the multi quoting, I am going to reply to each post stating what is up and why I say and think these things.


Is there a reason you're singling out this mod? Nearly every portrait mod clashes with vanilla and consists of stolen art, but you never made these hostile comments in those threads. I don't see how your content is harmed by an optional portrait mod either. In the end, including all the faction files saves time none of us want to waste on this minor ***.

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Also, your content won't be in the game until 1.0 is out anyway.
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I am not singling out this mod, I also asked Helmut to make his portrait mod not modify my factions and no others do as far as I know except for these two. I never made these "hostile" (factual) comments in this / those threads because I didn't even realize this mod and Helmut's added to my mods until I made the post here.

And since all the portrait pack mods steal art that makes it OK to do more is that what you are saying? No it doesn't, it hurts folks, it hurts content creators, and it hurts their income. I have seen sites taken down because a copyrighted image being posted on their forum. Now, just imagine some dude, sees their art, on my faction, and not realizing it was a *different* mod that put it there. That is a scenario I don't even want to be *possible* to occur and that is just my own "self defense" angle. It isn't even getting into how this is devaluing their art, while also spreading it "for free" that others will re-purpose recursively forever and ever. So yes, it hurts me, it hurts other modders, it hurts Starsector, it hurts Alex, it hurts the reputation of the people who make mods like this, and it hurts the folks who make the art.

And no, including all factions is very much *not* minor. Folks are free to do whatever they want, but your dreams will NEVER step on mine. So either play by the same rules as everyone else, or stay in your own yard (private-use mods only). I have various methods to enforce this but God forbid I ask first since that is the right thing to do :)

Speaking of the right thing to do, the real right thing to do would be for this mod to vanish forever for all the previous reasons stated. But at the very least? It cannot drag mine and other modder's work into the potential problems and certain hurt it causes without at a minimum permission being given.


Look like this one using Helmut's portrait pack as a template since both having the same faction file. Also, both portrait mod has been existed for like a year or two. Why all the sudden it jive your jam, Meso?
I never looked closely at the guts of portrait pack mods until now.


I believe the issue at hand is that it injects these assets into MesoTroniK's mods, stolen or not, that wouldn't be his problem if the creator of this portrait pack did not apply the new portraits to said mods.

Regardless of a mods particular Creative Commons attribution, making changes to someone's work and then redistributing it without asking the original creators is known by us in the business as a "*** move"

And If i'm not mistaken, Meso's Creative Commons attributions don't even allow for this to begin with.

moreover, do not mistake being caught with a sudden change of heart, he might have simply not known that the Degenerate portrait pack was doing this until just now, I know I didn't.
Yes, Gwyvern states this well and every point of his is bullet proof.


I see. At least the portrait pack is quite harmless and you know what you'll get right off the bat since the portrait style is crashing with one another. Still, from both Meso, and Gwyvern standpoint, it should only add to vanilla faction with an optional file as an add-on for other mod faction would be better?
No, it isn't harmless for all the reasons stated previously by me. And just because it clashes doesn't mean folks will not assume I added the art when they see it in game, I mean the average player isn't even capable of reporting a bug to the correct mod thread let alone random folks who do not play SS but see it in various places do you think they will able to place what mod adds what?

Yes, it should only add to vanilla. No wait, it shouldn't exist at all! But if it must, it only adding to vanilla, then having optional file add-ins for other mods and said optional files only are made after consulting with said mod authors first would be the next best thing.


The correct answer is to ask each mod author if they are okay with your content affecting their mods, and if they say no, don't do it -at all- Not even as an optional file.

Or if you are really that desperate for Tiandong Waifus, don't distribute it. It's nobodies business but your own if you are keeping it to yourself.
Yep, ask fist is *always* the best policy unless the license of the mod is explicitly fully open and do-as-you-will which mine are not for many reasons which I can elaborate on if you wish. And yea, private-use mod? Do whatever you want but when you distribute try to be more thoughtful of actions and their consequences.



Anyways, I hope that clears things up a bit said replies to each post but I want to add a little more to it as a standalone.

I know a mod like this is for fun, the creator likes it, the players that use it like it etc etc. But most actual content creators, and no stealing and cropping a bunch of art and throwing them into simple .json files is not really creating content... *Actual* content creators are typically never going to appreciate things like this. Let's steal art, then lets add it to mods made by others who do no such things. Who could possibly get offended by that? I don't know, probably folks who have spent tens of thousands of hours modding, drawing, coding, making sounds, creating music, making various things all as a mix of passion projects for free and paid work.

So try to think about all that, and maybe have a little more respect for others? You never know who they might be, and what their journey throughout life has been.
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: Xenoit1 on February 19, 2019, 12:52:42 PM
Uhm.. I'm nobody who knows a lot about all that stuff, but I want to ask one thing.

Does that mean that ANY mod that somehow intertacts and possibly adds something, in what ever way is forbidden unless you specifically ask for permission?
(as example mod A adds weapons to the ships from mod B... mod A isn't allowed to exist unless mod A asks mod B for permission and gets it)

The point I do agree upon is that the graphics are belonging to certain artists...

But then again, this is purely free content and noone gains money from this... then again, I'm not well versed with that sort of stuff...



Edit:  another thing that I just realised... isn't it also sort of the users responsability? I mean I use this mod with various others, but that is because >I< combined them. giving one the ability to combine 2 mods isn't nessesarely intended but to compress the mod or make it more adaptable... also as far as I got it, this mod uses a default sheet and adds the various pictures to all factions avaliable, in that case, id you want to avoid other portraits to be used in your content, code it that way yourself. Also it could be limited to the vannila factions, but then again everyone could manually copy and rename all the needed xxx.faction files. (or how they where called again)
The only real issue I see here is the copy right on the pictures used, and nothing else...

Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: Harmful Mechanic on February 19, 2019, 01:53:18 PM
It's sort of vaguely rude to add portraits to a faction, in that it confuses the issue of where the portraits come from and who to talk to if they're offensive or there's a copyright issue. Meso's concern is that the copyright holder might take him to task for the portraits, thinking he's the one who ripped and added them. That's a fair concern, if somewhat... vigorously expressed.

As for the rest of it, there's no hard and fast etiquette, but it's broadly polite to ask before you do something that might break or seriously alter another mod; the gold standard is vanilla Starsector, which we all sort-of try not to break, with varying degrees of commitment and success. By the nature of modding there will be collisions and interactions that aren't totally predictable. My position on that stuff is that as long as whatever someone is doing doesn't put me on the hook for their work or any bugs in it, do what you want; I won't do anything specifically to either facilitate or hinder you. I probably have a preference (opt-in rather than opt-out, and decently polished), but I'll just express that and be done with it.
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: Vayra on February 19, 2019, 01:55:44 PM

Does that mean that ANY mod that somehow intertacts and possibly adds something, in what ever way is forbidden unless you specifically ask for permission?
(as example mod A adds weapons to the ships from mod B... mod A isn't allowed to exist unless mod A asks mod B for permission and gets it)


It's generally in poor taste to make a mod that makes any modifications to another mod's content without asking permission, yes.
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: Dark.Revenant on February 19, 2019, 10:04:58 PM
It wouldn’t be a big deal if your portraits weren’t in violation of copyright laws.
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: Xenoit1 on February 20, 2019, 02:38:16 AM
Sooo that in return means that any mod on this forum that adds as example a weapon where the usage of said weapon is NOT limited to vanilla and mod own ships, needs the agreement of ANY faction mod on this forum... just read this and think about it for a moment... while I do agree if this mod would specifically add them for this mod, expressing the intention to do so, but in fact it is simply adding them to the game as a whole, no matter the faction.

Edit:

concerning Sorens reply, yes I understand... however, looking at the cooding and his assets, he can't be hold responsible as it isn't his added assets, if they wish to blame him for anything they need evidence that it is his fault... in this case it is easy to pove that he is not to blame as his assets are not containing said art, also the offical download(his I mean) also does not include them, it is not his problem but the fault of the mod in question that adds it, othwerwise it would be the same as to blame the offical Starsector for having them in the vanilla factions, ignoring the fact that a mod is used...
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: kerghnox on February 20, 2019, 03:34:56 AM
My apologies, I thought all the portrait mods used the same structure. The two I use (not this one) have all the faction files. So, I figured it was common practice with portraits.

 
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: Xenoit1 on February 20, 2019, 04:27:00 AM
Allright, after starting some sort of self doubt and reminding myself that my brain is not as good as I would like it to have I checked it out again controlled it and yep, it is a pile of crap I said, it is all defined for each faction in the xxx.faction files.
My appollogies here for my missguiding.

If it makes MesoTroniK happy(sorry if that sounds rude) I can delete his faction file from the folder, but I'll be honest, anyone that knows how to copy a file and rename it can reverse the change themselfes in mere seconds...

That said, it would only remove his faction files from my modification of the modification...
Oh and pls anwser here or PM we if you "still" want it removed, but please keep in mind, it is no gurantee that no one reverses that themself.
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: Blothorn on February 20, 2019, 02:55:52 PM
I don't see much problem with end-users adding portraits to factions--one hopes that will mean they know where the pictures come from. The big problem is with *distributing* a mod that adds them, since the end-user may not realize that mod factions are being altered.

And you should absolutely be removing files for every mod faction for which you have not obtained explicit permission to alter, rather than requiring mod authors to monitor and deal with every new portrait pack.
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: MesoTroniK on February 20, 2019, 04:22:43 PM
My apologies, I thought all the portrait mods used the same structure. The two I use (not this one) have all the faction files. So, I figured it was common practice with portraits.
What other ones? The only ones I know of that add to mod factions are this one and Helmut's.


If it makes MesoTroniK happy(sorry if that sounds rude) I can delete his faction file from the folder, but I'll be honest, anyone that knows how to copy a file and rename it can reverse the change themselfes in mere seconds...

That said, it would only remove his faction files from my modification of the modification...
Oh and pls anwser here or PM we if you "still" want it removed, but please keep in mind, it is no gurantee that no one reverses that themself.
Yes, please do remove my mod's faction files from this mod. But honestly why do I even need to confirm this? I thought I made this *very* clear with my two prior posts in this thread that please, seriously, get this stolen *** far far away from my mods! And yes of course, this doesn't stop end users from adding them back themselves but there is nothing that can be done about that and a personal mod is a personal mod which is very different from a mod being distributed.

And while you are at it, please strongly consider extending the same courtesy to all other modders and if you want to add to theirs? Ask first, as Blothorn (and myself TWICE in the past) said.
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: Xenoit1 on February 21, 2019, 05:25:18 AM
Welps, one does certanly like to be on the super save side... it's like accuiring tanks against to protect against turtles...
That is why I asked again.
Anyway, here the new link, only the vanilla factions that make sense are added and a read me that explains how and why one should add mod factions themself.

Spoiler
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/jumjrg25v1irk20/AAACSObZWQPX-dYN_bmrla79a?dl=0
[close]
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: FreedomFighter on February 21, 2019, 10:02:22 PM
On the other note, I request that the image number to be a little bit more polish since some folder has an image that skips some number. Like in Folder F, it skips the number 47. It got me by surprise since I thought each folder would be 1 to 100 while those image with "(2)" is optional in case someone wants to switch with the original one. Some other folder has skipped number like the one in "F" folder too but I didn't remember exactly which number it is.
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: oorek on August 06, 2019, 03:33:18 AM
It wouldn’t be a big deal if your portraits weren’t in violation of copyright laws.

There is nothing contrary to copyright law about this mod. If he was selling it, it would be a different story. But he isn't.

I don't understand why you would speak so authoritatively about law when you don't know what you're talking about. If you just don't like anime, or the mod isn't in line with your tastes, say that. Don't feign legal expertise.
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: Histidine on August 06, 2019, 05:16:47 AM
EDIT: Removed to avoid dogpile
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: Harmful Mechanic on August 06, 2019, 05:17:12 AM
That actually doesn't make a difference (https://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ01.pdf). Whether you charge money for work that violates copyright affects the likelihood of damages, because what's unlawful and what's actionable are different things, but that doesn't change the legality of using someone else's assets. Copyright covers free unauthorized reproduction as well as paid; it's just that it's usually not worth chasing you down for unless you're making money off it.
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: Lionion on August 06, 2019, 05:25:14 AM
That said, 99% of anime themed mods on pretty much all games are basically skirting around copyright laws and they are most of the time small enough to not draw any meaningful attention from authorities.

He does have a point though for that reason: anime mods breaking copyright protection laws is basically a premise at this point, and bringing it up is like playing the uno reverse card. It basically kills the discussion there because bringing it up lacks a good faith.

Starsector's modding scene is I guess unique enough in a sense that 99.9% of mods use original graphical assets and can easily draw the line where the copyright stands and where it doesn't. I can see where the moderators and Alex would stand on the issue because a legal conflict is not what they would like to go through, but as an end user this is probably one of those domains where people sort of accept that the laws are being broken to a certain degree.

In a realistic sense, unless Starsector gets a major publishing deal and this mod somehow gains traction and gets a, say, half a million subscribers from steam workshop, nothing would likely be done about it.

So in a sense, back to his point, it all boils down to whether you like anime or not.

Me personally? I couldn't care any less.

Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: Harmful Mechanic on August 06, 2019, 05:29:31 AM
The issue for me, personally, as a modder is that I want to control whether someone adds infringing content to my mod in such a way that I could be mistaken for the infringing party. I don't care if an infringing mod exists, I care that it doesn't make trouble for me. I and many other people said that before, your unwillingness and/or inability to read and understand it isn't anyone else's problem.
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: Lionion on August 06, 2019, 05:43:53 AM
The issue for me, personally, as a modder is that I want to control whether someone adds infringing content to my mod in such a way that I could be mistaken for the infringing party. I don't care if an infringing mod exists, I care that it doesn't make trouble for me. I and many other people said that before, your inability to read and understand it isn't anyone else's problem.

See, you had a perfectly good ground to stand on to win people over because what you said is very understandable, but you just blew that all up by slinging personal insults. You gotta calm down. Not everything revolves around you, I don't even know who you are. All I ever did was point out some of the clownish comments like:

It wouldn’t be a big deal if your portraits weren’t in violation of copyright laws.

I have some semblance of common courtesy to redact the name. You're welcome.

Anyway, I actually agree with you. You edit someone else's mod in any shape or form, and if the original author doen't like it then it would be fair to ask it to be taken down/altered. Two comments I want to make though:

1) The original author for this portrait pack is nowhere to be seen so this whole ridiculously clownish argument about copyright laws make everybody involved look juvenile at best
2) It isn't exactly going to be all sunshine and rainbows when people start throwing insults and turn this into a flame war.
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: Harmful Mechanic on August 06, 2019, 05:54:02 AM
I'm not angry; I don't actually care if I 'win people over', especially not you. The argument was resolved before some newbie showed up and decided to claim something that wasn't true in order to start an argument. You're assisting that, which makes your net contribution negative.
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: Clibanarius on August 06, 2019, 07:52:48 AM
For what it's worth, Soren, I appreciate the mod even if I don't intend to use it in a serious game! That's a loooooooooooooooooooooooootta anime waifus you've collected. :P
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: Harmful Mechanic on August 06, 2019, 08:00:30 AM
I can't tell if you're being facetious, but it's not my mod. I don't particularly like it, but I don't think it should be removed. The original disagreement was about it adding portraits to mod factions, which is kind of uncool.

Then some newbie decided to start the argument back up by randomly insulting people.
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: Clibanarius on August 06, 2019, 11:31:19 AM
Whoops, my mistake there, yeah. I realized shortly after posting, haha. No matter!
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: oorek on August 06, 2019, 03:03:40 PM
I'm not angry; I don't actually care if I 'win people over', especially not you. The argument was resolved before some newbie showed up and decided to claim something that wasn't true in order to start an argument. You're assisting that, which makes your net contribution negative.

1) I have been playing Star Sector longer than you, so I find the use of "newbie" puzzling

2) Everything I wrote is correct - there is nothing unlawful about this mod. The person who said so was making a childish attempt to censor something he doesn't like. You are now making an equally childish attempt to circle the wagons and pretend he didn't do anything wrong.
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: Tartiflette on August 06, 2019, 03:10:08 PM
You do realize that all you may achieve here is to manage to get this mod closed too, do you?
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: oorek on August 06, 2019, 03:31:07 PM
You do realize that all you may achieve here is to manage to get this mod closed too, do you?

Why do you deflect and shift blame?
An old member of the community tried to scare away a fledgeling modder with threats that his 100% fair-usage of anime pictures in his mod is totes illegal.
This kind of behavior should be called out whenever it's attempted - it's awful and damaging to the modding community.
Title: Re: [0.8.1a] Degenerate Portrait Pack v1.1
Post by: mendonca on August 06, 2019, 03:44:48 PM
Locking this for now.